How is prison life for modern day Italian American mobsters? Are they still respected and feared?

[johnny_scootch]

I think that Casso start the fight because he thought that because he was an underboss and Miciotta a simple soldier,he wouldn't respond to the provocations. Casso thought bad.

I doubt very much he thought Sal would just take the beating. Once Casso laid hands on Sal the rules were out the window and in jail you gotta fight back.

[Nick Prango]

I think that Casso start the fight because he thought that because he was an underboss and Miciotta a simple soldier,he wouldn't respond to the provocations. Casso thought bad.

I doubt very much he thought Sal would just take the beating. Once Casso laid hands on Sal the rules were out the window and in jail you gotta fight back.

There is no rank amongst LCN guys in prison, So associates , capos and soldiers are all on the same level. But Casso had a huge ego.

[johnny_scootch]

There is no rank amongst LCN guys in prison, So associates , capos and soldiers are all on the same level. But Casso had a huge ego.

If you think guys like Vic Amuso, Carmine Persico, Fat Tony, Bobby Manna and on and on suddenly become equal to an associate or a soldier once they step into a prison you're nuts. The top guys get their asses kissed all fucking day in prison.

But I know what you're saying and there are certain instances/scenarios where rank falls by the wayside and the outside rules don't apply BUT in general ranks are respected in prison by those in the life.

On the flip side simple associate or soldiers could have greater power than their real world position would usually afford them if they are really tough. Guys like Johny Joe Spirito or Ray Argentina who were just soldiers could be looked at as almost the leader of the Italians by other races because they're tough as nails and willing to fight at the drop of a hat, which is something old timers like Persico or Amuso couldn't do.

[newera_212]

There is no rank amongst LCN guys in prison, So associates , capos and soldiers are all on the same level. But Casso had a huge ego.

If you think guys like Vic Amuso, Carmine Persico, Fat Tony, Bobby Manna and on and on suddenly become equal to an associate or a soldier once they step into a prison you're nuts. The top guys get their asses kissed all fucking day in prison.

But I know what you're saying and there are certain instances/scenarios where rank falls by the wayside and the outside rules don't apply BUT in general ranks are respected in prison by those in the life.

On the flip side simple associate or soldiers could have greater power than their real world position would usually afford them if they are really tough. Guys like Johny Joe Spirito or Ray Argentina who were just soldiers could be looked at as almost the leader of the Italians by other races because they're tough as nails and willing to fight at the drop of a hat, which is something old timers like Persico or Amuso couldn't do.

couldn't have said this better. I think this sums it all up perfectly.

[Nick Prango]

There is no rank amongst LCN guys in prison, So associates , capos and soldiers are all on the same level. But Casso had a huge ego.

If you think guys like Vic Amuso, Carmine Persico, Fat Tony, Bobby Manna and on and on suddenly become equal to an associate or a soldier once they step into a prison you're nuts. The top guys get their asses kissed all fucking day in prison.

But I know what you're saying and there are certain instances/scenarios where rank falls by the wayside and the outside rules don't apply BUT in general ranks are respected in prison by those in the life.

On the flip side simple associate or soldiers could have greater power than their real world position would usually afford them if they are really tough. Guys like Johny Joe Spirito or Ray Argentina who were just soldiers could be looked at as almost the leader of the Italians by other races because they're tough as nails and willing to fight at the drop of a hat, which is something old timers like Persico or Amuso couldn't do.

Very well put. Everything you said here is what I have heard and on point . CO's put the LCN members and connected guys together because they know they won't cause any problems. LCN Made guys usually have their muscle guys and other Italian inmates in all the cells surrounding them. Made guys more often than not are living large in the feds and held much respect .

So they gather other Italian inmates around them. They have some freedom, in the sense , they can move freely on their wing and get some leeway cause they aren't trouble. Seth Ferranti says that it’s sort of funny how even these modern day LCN mobsters generate so much respect and admiration among the prisoners. He says Mafia guys more often than not are held in a sort of awe by all the crack dealers, bank robbers, prison gangs members, drug traffickers, gangbangers, stick-up kids, street hustlers, smugglers, drug kingpins, and straight thugs. I guess because they have such a history of openly and brazenly defying the US government. This defiance gives them major props in federal prison system. And maybe in prisons the mafiasos are not feared but in there they are still truly respected.

[johnny_scootch]

Very well put. Everything you said here is what I have heard and on point . CO's put the LCN members and connected guys together because they know they won't cause any problems. LCN Made guys usually have their muscle guys and other Italian inmates in all the cells surrounding them. Made guys more often than not are living large in the feds and held much respect .

So they gather other Italian inmates around them. They have some freedom, in the sense , they can move freely on their wing and get some leeway cause they aren't trouble. Seth Ferranti says that it’s sort of funny how even these modern day LCN mobsters generate so much respect and admiration among the prisoners. He says Mafia guys more often than not are held in a sort of awe by all the crack dealers, bank robbers, prison gangs members, drug traffickers, gangbangers, stick-up kids, street hustlers, smugglers, drug kingpins, and straight thugs. I guess because they have such a history of openly and brazenly defying the US government. This defiance gives them major props in federal prison system. And maybe in prisons the mafiasos are not feared but in there they are still truly respected.

That is 100% on point, in jail you have two things respect and strength. Take John Gotti for example he had tons of respect but as an older, sick and out of shape guy when he is alone he had zero strength so another inmate could kick his ass. I doubt very much that guy would have tried to beat up Johnny Joe or Vito Guzzo because he would recognize they have a ton of strength on their own which in turn generates respect.

[Nick Prango]

Very well put. Everything you said here is what I have heard and on point . CO's put the LCN members and connected guys together because they know they won't cause any problems. LCN Made guys usually have their muscle guys and other Italian inmates in all the cells surrounding them. Made guys more often than not are living large in the feds and held much respect .

So they gather other Italian inmates around them. They have some freedom, in the sense , they can move freely on their wing and get some leeway cause they aren't trouble. Seth Ferranti says that it’s sort of funny how even these modern day LCN mobsters generate so much respect and admiration among the prisoners. He says Mafia guys more often than not are held in a sort of awe by all the crack dealers, bank robbers, prison gangs members, drug traffickers, gangbangers, stick-up kids, street hustlers, smugglers, drug kingpins, and straight thugs. I guess because they have such a history of openly and brazenly defying the US government. This defiance gives them major props in federal prison system. And maybe in prisons the mafiasos are not feared but in there they are still truly respected.

That is 100% on point, in jail you have two things respect and strength. Take John Gotti for example he had tons of respect but as an older, sick and out of shape guy when he is alone he had zero strength so another inmate could kick his ass. I doubt very much that guy would have tried to beat up Johnny Joe or Vito Guzzo because he would recognize they have a ton of strength on their own which in turn generates respect.

Ronnie Giallanzo too. According to Pennisi and Hootie, the guy is a beast. They said that Ronnie fought almost on a daily basis in prison.

[johnny_scootch]

Ronnie Giallanzo too. According to Pennisi and Hootie, the guy is a beast. They said that Ronnie fought almost on a daily basis in prison.

Perfect example.

[Nick Prango]

Very well put. Everything you said here is what I have heard and on point . CO's put the LCN members and connected guys together because they know they won't cause any problems. LCN Made guys usually have their muscle guys and other Italian inmates in all the cells surrounding them. Made guys more often than not are living large in the feds and held much respect .

So they gather other Italian inmates around them. They have some freedom, in the sense , they can move freely on their wing and get some leeway cause they aren't trouble. Seth Ferranti says that it’s sort of funny how even these modern day LCN mobsters generate so much respect and admiration among the prisoners. He says Mafia guys more often than not are held in a sort of awe by all the crack dealers, bank robbers, prison gangs members, drug traffickers, gangbangers, stick-up kids, street hustlers, smugglers, drug kingpins, and straight thugs. I guess because they have such a history of openly and brazenly defying the US government. This defiance gives them major props in federal prison system. And maybe in prisons the mafiasos are not feared but in there they are still truly respected.

That is 100% on point, in jail you have two things respect and strength. Take John Gotti for example he had tons of respect but as an older, sick and out of shape guy when he is alone he had zero strength so another inmate could kick his ass. I doubt very much that guy would have tried to beat up Johnny Joe or Vito Guzzo because he would recognize they have a ton of strength on their own which in turn generates respect.

John Gotti was arrogant and narcissistic that personality type had difficulty getting along with others. You have to humble yourself in prison to a certain degree and respect the other prisoners. Some prisoners don't give a crap who you were on the outside. Probably Gotti was running his mouth and got what was coming to him. He was jumped by 28 year old Walter Johnson. Gotti was an 55 year old man by then (1996) so of course the younger Johnson had the upper hand.

[Shellackhead]

I used to bang the baby mama of this OG Patria/Trinitario while he was doing a few years at Rikers Island, he told me lots of stories about cutting people, smuggling drugs/weapons inside, politics, respect and stuff I asked him about if he ever crossed paths with LCN guys & he said that there was all kinds of people & a lot of LCN guys just stood to themselves & nobody picked a fight with them.

[Nick Prango]

I used to bang the baby mama of this OG Patria/Trinitario while he was doing a few years at Rikers Island, he told me lots of stories about cutting people, smuggling drugs/weapons inside, politics, respect and stuff I asked him about if he ever crossed paths with LCN guys & he said that there was all kinds of people & a lot of LCN guys just stood to themselves & nobody picked a fight with them.

I have read on Reddit that a lot of LCN guys get preferential treatment in Rikers because they pay well (bribes) ,correctional officers don’t really mind them because they are respectful and low key (don’t do things that bring public pressure/bring heat) and Italians are generally cool there. Don’t fuck with them, they don’t fuck with you.

[CornerBoy]

This happened in a wit sec unit so they were all equal- all rats, all former mobsters so no rules apply

[Nick Prango]

In this latest video Jimmy Calandra speaks about his Rikers Island experience. It is interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FOcGcX ... venueStory

[Nick Prango]

At Danbury Prison, Albanians, Mafiosi Duked It Out
By Ed Scarpo Thursday, March 26, 2015 0 Comments
Jerry Capeci's GanglandNews today reports that "25 inmates — including five mobsters and two Albanian hoods whose names Gang Land has obtained," engaged in a "bloody jailhouse brawl"during leisure time in the rec room of the federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut, on Saturday, March 14.

Danbury, the article noted, is a low-security facility that houses 750 sentenced inmates. Following the violent confrontation, everyone involved was "thrown into "the hole" after receiving stitches or treated for cuts, bloody noses and other non-life-threatening injuries."




Prison officials and the FBI are investigating but declined to confirm or deny the fight, the website reported.
Sources say the suspected mob pugilists included Colombo soldier Vito Guzzo, 50, Gambino mobsters Michael (Mikey Y) Yannotti, 51, Michael Roccaforte, 38, and Neil Lombardo, 59, and Bonanno wiseguy Robert Lino, 48.
Their primary victims, sources say, were Albanian gangsters Prenka (Big Frankie) Ivezaj, 49, and Nardino (Lenny) Colotti, an Italian-American hood who once ran with the Gambinos but defected and co-founded the violent gang of mostly Albanian heritage gangsters with Alex Rudaj in the 1990s. Colotti, 53, was with about six crew members during the riot.
Sources say the fighting, which took place in an area that is constantly videotaped, stemmed from a beating early that morning that several Albanian gangsters gave to an older non-Italian inmate who is friendly with the wiseguys while he was asleep in his cell. .....
... Before the older inmate was attacked, the rival gangsters had been feuding about the allegiances of another inmate, who had ties to both groups, but whom the mobsters felt very strongly was "with them" and not the Albanians. The gangster, whom Gang Land was unable to identify, was "on the fence," but the wiseguys were adamant that he "belonged with them, not the other guys," said one source.






The "Rudaj Organization" was named for Alex. Called "The Corporation" by its members, it started operating in 1993 in Westchester, then spread into the Bronx and Queens.

This Albanian Mafia shouldn't be confused with other iterations of the group, the FBI has noted.

Another Albanian Mafia, also highly active in the Bronx, apparently commenced operations in 2004, the same year the FBI cleared the Rudaj group off the streets before a bloody street war with the Luchese crime family could erupt.

The Feds gained intel from snitches and were compelled to arrest the group earlier than planned to prevent a potential bloodbath, according to an FBI source.

https://www.cosanostranews.com/2015/03/ ... sters.html

[ThutmosisChen]

Do you guys know what`s the status of Italian mobsters in Canadian prisons? Like in Ontario or Quebec prisons are they respected?