General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Frank]

I’m sure this has been poster before. This is from 2010. Two top guys are federal informants. One since 1994 and the other since 1985. To me, it’s to big of a coincidence. 1994 is the year Difronzo got out on appeal after being convicted for the Indian casino indictment. Carlisi never got out. What about the one since 1985? Peter Difronzo, Joe the builder??? I guess you have to look at who has had no legal issues. Those two are two candidates. Fratto and Mattasa would be other but they all both have had indictments in the last 10 years. Or maybe the FEDs just planted this story to get everyone paranoid. They were really looking to do a family secrets part two but it never developed.

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/7446674/

Yes its been discussed before. The 1994 CI is described as an associate. Which on terms of description wouldn't be DiFronzo. But it would be interesting to one day learn who these guys were.

[Patrickgold]

I’m sure this has been poster before. This is from 2010. Two top guys are federal informants. One since 1994 and the other since 1985. To me, it’s to big of a coincidence. 1994 is the year Difronzo got out on appeal after being convicted for the Indian casino indictment. Carlisi never got out. What about the one since 1985? Peter Difronzo, Joe the builder??? I guess you have to look at who has had no legal issues. Those two are two candidates. Fratto and Mattasa would be other but they all both have had indictments in the last 10 years. Or maybe the FEDs just planted this story to get everyone paranoid. They were really looking to do a family secrets part two but it never developed.

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/7446674/

Yes its been discussed before. The 1994 CI is described as an associate. Which on terms of description wouldn't be DiFronzo. But it would be interesting to one day learn who these guys were.

It says another top echelon associate which indicates the other is an associate too even though they say member originally. It also says there is a 3rd mole. FEDs might have used all this language to confuse everyone and keep everyone guessing.

[Frank]

I’m sure this has been poster before. This is from 2010. Two top guys are federal informants. One since 1994 and the other since 1985. To me, it’s to big of a coincidence. 1994 is the year Difronzo got out on appeal after being convicted for the Indian casino indictment. Carlisi never got out. What about the one since 1985? Peter Difronzo, Joe the builder??? I guess you have to look at who has had no legal issues. Those two are two candidates. Fratto and Mattasa would be other but they all both have had indictments in the last 10 years. Or maybe the FEDs just planted this story to get everyone paranoid. They were really looking to do a family secrets part two but it never developed.

https://abc7chicago.com/archive/7446674/

Yes its been discussed before. The 1994 CI is described as an associate. Which on terms of description wouldn't be DiFronzo. But it would be interesting to one day learn who these guys were.

It says another top echelon associate which indicates the other is an associate too even though they say member originally. It also says there is a 3rd mole. FEDs might have used all this language to confuse everyone and keep everyone guessing.

Thats possible. I think DiFronzo could have been a CI. But with that its also possible that it was others. To me, I keep thinking its to bold of a move for a seasoned veteran that knows at the time the Outfit was still killing. But definitely will be a great find to get that info.

[Frank]

From what I rscall, the DiFronzo as CI started when he wasnt charged in the Family Secrets case. But Lou Marino wasnt either. Some say DuFronzo took a big step back from the Outfit in the 90s. So if thats true, did that have alot to do with his staying free from indictment for 20 years. I dont know. We dont know 100 % what his position was during the mid to late 90s to the end. Remember Frank Calabrese said DiFronzo didnt want the job.

[PolackTony]

We sure Doyle died? I thought he was still alive.

He is still alive; Michael Ricci is dead.

He's out too, isn't he? Or is he still locked up?

He's been out for a while, I think. I'd have to check BOP

Thanks for the correction. I may have confused his death with Ricci’s.

I think Doyle is living in Arizona now

Yes, looking into it I found an address in Wickenburg, AZ. Doyle was born 12/1944, while there was another Anthony Passafiume born 1945 who also grew up in the Chinatown/Bridgeport area.

I haven’t been able to confirm a birth document for Doyle, maybe the Passafiume spelling was off in the records. But per his FS testimony and Jeff Coen, Doyle grew up in Chinatown. I would still guess he lived by 24th and Wentworth as a kid, but can’t confirm it (there was a family headed by a Natale Passafiume and a Vincenza Speciale living there, who I now think possibly may have been his grandparents or other relatives). The Passafiume name is still very likely from Termini Imerese, as all of the Passafiumes I’ve looked into in Chicago came from there.

Another interesting thing that came up in his FS testimony was that he played handball as a teenager with Frank Calabrese in the neighborhood. The Calabreses lived as small kids on Erie in the Grand Ave Patch and then later lived in Elmwood Park, so far as I know. I’ve always thought that Calabrese only came into the Bridgeport area via his connection with the LaPietras, which I had assumed came from Cicero. Per Doyle’s account though it seems Calabrese had some early connections to Chinatown. Maybe he had family in the area as well?

[Villain]

According to Nicks testimony, he transferred his operations to Chinatown sometime around the mid 1970s...do we know where he previously operated? Cicero?

[PolackTony]

According to Nicks testimony, he transferred his operations to Chinatown sometime around the mid 1970s...do we know where he previously operated? Cicero?

That was my understanding, that Frank got his start with the Buccieri crew in Cicero and then came over to Bridgeport in the 70s. But if he was playing handball with Twan Doyle as a kid already, then he also likely had some family connections to the area. As with the LaPietras and Johnny Apes, some of these Buccieri guys who came in to Chinatown territory had longstanding personal ties to the area as well.

While we tend to focus on the overarching, formal structure of the Outfit (and all the remaining mysteries there), much of their operations of course drew strongly on neighborhood and familial networks of association, trust, and status. The various Outfit crews were organic products of the particular dynamics of community settlement and migration in Italian Chicagoland. I think that this was a critical aspect of how these crews/factions functioned as something like “families” unto themselves.

[Villain]

According to Nicks testimony, he transferred his operations to Chinatown sometime around the mid 1970s...do we know where he previously operated? Cicero?

That was my understanding, that Frank got his start with the Buccieri crew in Cicero and then came over to Bridgeport in the 70s. But if he was playing handball with Twan Doyle as a kid already, then he also likely had some family connections to the area. As with the LaPietras and Johnny Apes, some of these Buccieri guys who came in to Chinatown territory had longstanding personal ties to the area as well.

While we tend to focus on the overarching, formal structure of the Outfit (and all the remaining mysteries there), much of their operations of course drew strongly on neighborhood and familial networks of association, trust, and status. The various Outfit crews were organic products of the particular dynamics of community settlement and migration in Italian Chicagoland. I think that this was a critical aspect of how these crews/factions functioned as something like “families” unto themselves.

Thanks and i agree

[FriendofFamily]

According to Nicks testimony, he transferred his operations to Chinatown sometime around the mid 1970s...do we know where he previously operated? Cicero?

That was my understanding, that Frank got his start with the Buccieri crew in Cicero and then came over to Bridgeport in the 70s. But if he was playing handball with Twan Doyle as a kid already, then he also likely had some family connections to the area. As with the LaPietras and Johnny Apes, some of these Buccieri guys who came in to Chinatown territory had longstanding personal ties to the area as well.

While we tend to focus on the overarching, formal structure of the Outfit (and all the remaining mysteries there), much of their operations of course drew strongly on neighborhood and familial networks of association, trust, and status. The various Outfit crews were organic products of the particular dynamics of community settlement and migration in Italian Chicagoland. I think that this was a critical aspect of how these crews/factions functioned as something like “families” unto themselves.

I have a question was it handball or racquetball? Just curious it may make a difference to something...

[Patrickgold]

From what I rscall, the DiFronzo as CI started when he wasnt charged in the Family Secrets case. But Lou Marino wasnt either. Some say DuFronzo took a big step back from the Outfit in the 90s. So if thats true, did that have alot to do with his staying free from indictment for 20 years. I dont know. We dont know 100 % what his position was during the mid to late 90s to the end. Remember Frank Calabrese said DiFronzo didnt want the job.

Your right Lou Marino was not charged. He was in jail at the time. But again, the FEDs might have not charged him bc they didn’t want to make it obvious. I saw Red’s video the other day and he said again that he saw paperwork during family secrets stating that Difronzo was a CI. I believe him. I think one of the reasons he took a big step back in the 1990s was that he couldn’t actually be the boss and be a informant at the same time. Boss has to order hits. If he was, the fact that the Outfit guys still in the game couldn’t figure it out and did clean house is surprising. He was a easy guy to find. Usually hung out at the same spots. But again, this is my opinion. Wonder if we will ever find out the truth

[PolackTony]

According to Nicks testimony, he transferred his operations to Chinatown sometime around the mid 1970s...do we know where he previously operated? Cicero?

That was my understanding, that Frank got his start with the Buccieri crew in Cicero and then came over to Bridgeport in the 70s. But if he was playing handball with Twan Doyle as a kid already, then he also likely had some family connections to the area. As with the LaPietras and Johnny Apes, some of these Buccieri guys who came in to Chinatown territory had longstanding personal ties to the area as well.

While we tend to focus on the overarching, formal structure of the Outfit (and all the remaining mysteries there), much of their operations of course drew strongly on neighborhood and familial networks of association, trust, and status. The various Outfit crews were organic products of the particular dynamics of community settlement and migration in Italian Chicagoland. I think that this was a critical aspect of how these crews/factions functioned as something like “families” unto themselves.

I have a question was it handball or racquetball? Just curious it may make a difference to something...

Per Jeff Coen it was handball.

[Ed]

Was Outfit informer Louis Bombacino an inducted member? Louis Fratto and Bill Roemer state he was, but is that generally accepted by researchers? Was his surname originally spelled "Bombacigno"? Also, what was the relationship between him and the other "Louis Bombacino" active later on? thanks

[Snakes]

Was Outfit informer Louis Bombacino an inducted member? Louis Fratto and Bill Roemer state he was, but is that generally accepted by researchers? Was his surname originally spelled "Bombacigno"? Also, what was the relationship between him and the other "Louis Bombacino" active later on? thanks

I don't think he was. The idea of a "sponsor" was different back then. More like someone who vouched for your acceptance into Outfit circles.

[Ed]

I tend to agree with you. From what I can tell (limited viewing), he wasn't described as an LCN member by federal agents while he was secretly supplying Intel between 1965-67, only afterwards. Fratto identified Bombacino as an Outfit member after Bombacino publicly flipped in 1967, but he lived in Iowa. No greater Chicago-area member-informant at the time like Maniaci, Pranno or Amatore described Bombacino as an LCN member.

[Snakes]

I tend to agree with you. From what I can tell (limited viewing), he wasn't described as an LCN member by federal agents while he was secretly supplying Intel between 1965-67, only afterwards. Fratto identified Bombacino as an Outfit member after Bombacino publicly flipped in 1967, but he lived in Iowa. No greater Chicago-area member-informant at the time like Maniaci, Pranno or Amatore described Bombacino as an LCN member.

I think a lot of those guys on the 1960s member lists weren't actually members. They had guys like Infelise and Tocco on there and they weren't made until the 80s. Then again, this was before they revised the methods for identifying members.