Rockford LCN - help with opinions and direction

[Patrickgold]

Do you realize who was indicted in that case??? Joe Saladino was charged in that indictment and is a verified made member of LCN and Frank Saladino another made member was a un indicted person who was only not indicted bc he was DEAD!! But not connected to LCN GTFOOH. If they really did say that it is bc they couldn’t connect them paying procedes to the Chicago Outfit and care very about proving that there is a separate LCN organization in Rockford. Police Chief Iasperro should thank his uncle for destroying all the Mob files in the 80s which must have contributed to not being able to connect this to the LCN in Rockford LMFAO.

[cavita]

Rockford had a major bookmaking indictment 15 years ago and all those guys are still alive and out of jail.

It was a small time operation and the prosecutor and investigators in that case flat out said that it was not tied to LCN.


https://history.rockfordpubliclibrary.o ... y/?p=51867

I traveled back for that trial and the prosecutors kept bringing up that it was tied to the Outfit and Judge Reinhard wouldn't allow it because Gumba had died which severed him as a connection to them in the case.

[Pogo The Clown]

Do you realize who was indicted in that case??? Joe Saladino was charged in that indictment and is a verified made member of LCN and Frank Saladino another made member was a un indicted person who was only not indicted bc he was DEAD!! But not connected to LCN GTFOOH. If they really did say that it is bc they couldn’t connect them paying procedes to the Chicago Outfit and care very about proving that there is a separate LCN organization in Rockford. Police Chief Iasperro should thank his uncle for destroying all the Mob files in the 80s which must have contributed to not being able to connect this to the LCN in Rockford LMFAO.

You can say whatever you want but we have the prosecutor in this case flat out saying it was not an OC operation. One of the guys in the case had loose ties to LCN and those ties were to the Chicago Outfit and not the Rockford family.


And since when is Joseph Saladino a made member? This indictment made no mention of that. Same for Frank Saladino. He was indicted as an Associate in the Family Secrets case.

I traveled back for that trial and the prosecutors kept bringing up that it was tied to the Outfit and Judge Reinhard wouldn't allow it because Gumba had died which severed him as a connection to them in the case.

Yes thank you. That backs up what I was trying to say.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

Do you realize who was indicted in that case??? Joe Saladino was charged in that indictment and is a verified made member of LCN and Frank Saladino another made member was a un indicted person who was only not indicted bc he was DEAD!! But not connected to LCN GTFOOH. If they really did say that it is bc they couldn’t connect them paying procedes to the Chicago Outfit and care very about proving that there is a separate LCN organization in Rockford. Police Chief Iasperro should thank his uncle for destroying all the Mob files in the 80s which must have contributed to not being able to connect this to the LCN in Rockford LMFAO.

Even assuming it were a Rockford LCN operation, bringing up a small bookmaking operation from 15 years ago and guy here or there still being alive, as a basis for the Rockford LCN still being around today (what this thread seems to be really about) is just pure, sad desperation and a perfect example of why some of us (at least myself) are so anal-retentive about sticking to the facts.

Contrary to popular opinion, I have no desire to ruin this thread. If you want to talk about Rockford, knock yourself out. But anyone who even attempts to argue there's still a family in friggin' Rockford, IL in 2021 is not a serious anything and is not living in reality. Period.

But enough about Rockford. They're old news. I'm wondering why nobody has started a thread on the resurgence of the Dallas family.

[Patrickgold]

Do you realize who was indicted in that case??? Joe Saladino was charged in that indictment and is a verified made member of LCN and Frank Saladino another made member was a un indicted person who was only not indicted bc he was DEAD!! But not connected to LCN GTFOOH. If they really did say that it is bc they couldn’t connect them paying procedes to the Chicago Outfit and care very about proving that there is a separate LCN organization in Rockford. Police Chief Iasperro should thank his uncle for destroying all the Mob files in the 80s which must have contributed to not being able to connect this to the LCN in Rockford LMFAO.

You can say whatever you want but we have the prosecutor in this case flat out saying it was not an OC operation. One of the guys in the case had loose ties to LCN and those ties were to the Chicago Outfit and not the Rockford family.


And since when is Joseph Saladino a made member? This indictment made no mention of that. Same for Frank Saladino. He was indicted as an Associate in the Family Secrets case.

I traveled back for that trial and the prosecutors kept bringing up that it was tied to the Outfit and Judge Reinhard wouldn't allow it because Gumba had died which severed him as a connection to them in the case.

Yes thank you. That backs up what I was trying to say.


Pogo

That backs up what your saying? Actually the opposite. It says that the Prosecutors wanted to use the LCN connection in trial but the Judge wouldn’t let them bc Gumbo was dead, so obviously they can’t say in a newspaper interview that it’s connected.

Joe Saladino was listed as a lieutenant under Zammuto. Being listed Lieutenant in a LCN family usually means your made member. He also worked for the 26th street crew and was one of the reason there was a sit down between Rockford and Chicago with the results benefiting Rockford

[Patrickgold]

Do you realize who was indicted in that case??? Joe Saladino was charged in that indictment and is a verified made member of LCN and Frank Saladino another made member was a un indicted person who was only not indicted bc he was DEAD!! But not connected to LCN GTFOOH. If they really did say that it is bc they couldn’t connect them paying procedes to the Chicago Outfit and care very about proving that there is a separate LCN organization in Rockford. Police Chief Iasperro should thank his uncle for destroying all the Mob files in the 80s which must have contributed to not being able to connect this to the LCN in Rockford LMFAO.

Even assuming it were a Rockford LCN operation, bringing up a small bookmaking operation from 15 years ago and guy here or there still being alive, as a basis for the Rockford LCN still being around today (what this thread seems to be really about) is just pure, sad desperation and a perfect example of why some of us (at least myself) are so anal-retentive about sticking to the facts.

Contrary to popular opinion, I have no desire to ruin this thread. If you want to talk about Rockford, knock yourself out. But anyone who even attempts to argue there's still a family in friggin' Rockford, IL in 2021 is not a serious anything and is not living in reality. Period.

But enough about Rockford. They're old news. I'm wondering why nobody has started a thread on the resurgence of the Dallas family.

Funny you have no desire to ruin threads but you do, day in day out. I’m sure you have no desire.

You stick to the facts? That’s hilarious. Only when it benefits your theory. You have Buffalo indictments with authorities saying they are investigating LCN links and a friggin underboss of Buffalo family on tape saying he was promoted by Todaro but that’s not enough evidence LMFAO

Let’s be honest. You know absolutely nothing of Rockford. You probably couldn’t even find it on the map. You should stop trying to make your theories about them sound like you actually know what your talking about

[Pogo The Clown]

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Do you realize who was indicted in that case??? Joe Saladino was charged in that indictment and is a verified made member of LCN and Frank Saladino another made member was a un indicted person who was only not indicted bc he was DEAD!! But not connected to LCN GTFOOH. If they really did say that it is bc they couldn’t connect them paying procedes to the Chicago Outfit and care very about proving that there is a separate LCN organization in Rockford. Police Chief Iasperro should thank his uncle for destroying all the Mob files in the 80s which must have contributed to not being able to connect this to the LCN in Rockford LMFAO.

You can say whatever you want but we have the prosecutor in this case flat out saying it was not an OC operation. One of the guys in the case had loose ties to LCN and those ties were to the Chicago Outfit and not the Rockford family.


And since when is Joseph Saladino a made member? This indictment made no mention of that. Same for Frank Saladino. He was indicted as an Associate in the Family Secrets case.

I traveled back for that trial and the prosecutors kept bringing up that it was tied to the Outfit and Judge Reinhard wouldn't allow it because Gumba had died which severed him as a connection to them in the case.

Yes thank you. That backs up what I was trying to say.

That backs up what your saying? Actually the opposite. It says that the Prosecutors wanted to use the LCN connection in trial but the Judge wouldn’t let them bc Gumbo was dead, so obviously they can’t say in a newspaper interview that it’s connected.

Joe Saladino was listed as a lieutenant under Zammuto. Being listed Lieutenant in a LCN family usually means your made member. He also worked for the 26th street crew and was one of the reason there was a sit down between Rockford and Chicago with the results benefiting Rockford
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Yeah and those loose connections were to Chicago. Not the Rockford family as you tried to claim. And if it was an LCN operation it would have been mentioned. If Joe Saladino was a made member and all the other guys in the case LCN Assocaites then it wouldn't have mattered if Frsnk Saladino died.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

Funny you have no desire to ruin threads but you do, day in day out. I’m sure you have no desire.

You stick to the facts? That’s hilarious. Only when it benefits your theory. You have Buffalo indictments with authorities saying they are investigating LCN links and a friggin underboss of Buffalo family on tape saying he was promoted by Todaro but that’s not enough evidence LMFAO

Let’s be honest. You know absolutely nothing of Rockford. You probably couldn’t even find it on the map. You should stop trying to make your theories about them sound like you actually know what your talking about

If you want to debate Buffalo, we can do that in the Buffalo thread.

I know enough about Rockford to know its looooong gone and there's nothing left there. No serious mob researcher would claim otherwise. You know it, as well as I. Well, at least you should. So what is the argument?

[Patrickgold]

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Do you realize who was indicted in that case??? Joe Saladino was charged in that indictment and is a verified made member of LCN and Frank Saladino another made member was a un indicted person who was only not indicted bc he was DEAD!! But not connected to LCN GTFOOH. If they really did say that it is bc they couldn’t connect them paying procedes to the Chicago Outfit and care very about proving that there is a separate LCN organization in Rockford. Police Chief Iasperro should thank his uncle for destroying all the Mob files in the 80s which must have contributed to not being able to connect this to the LCN in Rockford LMFAO.

You can say whatever you want but we have the prosecutor in this case flat out saying it was not an OC operation. One of the guys in the case had loose ties to LCN and those ties were to the Chicago Outfit and not the Rockford family.


And since when is Joseph Saladino a made member? This indictment made no mention of that. Same for Frank Saladino. He was indicted as an Associate in the Family Secrets case.

I traveled back for that trial and the prosecutors kept bringing up that it was tied to the Outfit and Judge Reinhard wouldn't allow it because Gumba had died which severed him as a connection to them in the case.

Yes thank you. That backs up what I was trying to say.

That backs up what your saying? Actually the opposite. It says that the Prosecutors wanted to use the LCN connection in trial but the Judge wouldn’t let them bc Gumbo was dead, so obviously they can’t say in a newspaper interview that it’s connected.

Joe Saladino was listed as a lieutenant under Zammuto. Being listed Lieutenant in a LCN family usually means your made member. He also worked for the 26th street crew and was one of the reason there was a sit down between Rockford and Chicago with the results benefiting Rockford

Yeah and those loose connections were to Chicago. Not the Rockford family as you tried to claim. And if it was an LCN operation it would have been mentioned. If Joe Saladino was a made member and all the other guys in the case LCN Assocaites then it wouldn't have mattered if Frsnk Saladino died.


Pogo
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It’s a verified fact that several of those individuals were listed as LCN since at least the 1980s so it’s hardly loose connections. My advise to you and wiseguy is get the names of all the indicted and start doing research on them like Cavita does and see what “the loose connections” are instead of the same old their is no viable family in little Rockford. The reason LCN was not brought up bc Mars was investigating the Chicago Outfit and the past murders. They came upon this gambling ring bc of their investigation into Frank Saladino. Frank Saladino personally took part in murders with Nick Calabrese. When Saladino died, that connection to the Outfit died, which was the priority. They separated the two cases. Now Joe Saladino also worked for the 26th st crew at one time but was in prison at the time of the indictment. He was not involved in any of the cold case murders which was the priority. Mars was not investigating Rockford and probably had very little time and knowledge to expand the investigation into Rockford. It’s been the same story for the last 100 years. Rockford is obviously not a priority.

[Patrickgold]

Funny you have no desire to ruin threads but you do, day in day out. I’m sure you have no desire.

You stick to the facts? That’s hilarious. Only when it benefits your theory. You have Buffalo indictments with authorities saying they are investigating LCN links and a friggin underboss of Buffalo family on tape saying he was promoted by Todaro but that’s not enough evidence LMFAO

Let’s be honest. You know absolutely nothing of Rockford. You probably couldn’t even find it on the map. You should stop trying to make your theories about them sound like you actually know what your talking about

If you want to debate Buffalo, we can do that in the Buffalo thread.

I know enough about Rockford to know its looooong gone and there's nothing left there. No serious mob researcher would claim otherwise. You know it, as well as I. Well, at least you should. So what is the argument?

There is obviously something there which was the point of this friggen thread until you hijacked it. The question is if it is a crew of the Outfit, a independent organization or a Sicilian organization.

[Patrickgold]

Funny you have no desire to ruin threads but you do, day in day out. I’m sure you have no desire.

You stick to the facts? That’s hilarious. Only when it benefits your theory. You have Buffalo indictments with authorities saying they are investigating LCN links and a friggin underboss of Buffalo family on tape saying he was promoted by Todaro but that’s not enough evidence LMFAO

Let’s be honest. You know absolutely nothing of Rockford. You probably couldn’t even find it on the map. You should stop trying to make your theories about them sound like you actually know what your talking about

If you want to debate Buffalo, we can do that in the Buffalo thread.

Coming from the guy that tried to turn this thread into a Dallas debate. Does this every get old for you? After all these years?

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't know why I am even asking my time. The freakin prosecutor and LE investigators on the case openly said that this gambling ring was not an LCN operation. So in conclusion we have a pissant gambling bust from 15 YEARS AGO that at best had loose ties to Chicago and is now being used to prove there is a LCN family in Rockford.


Pogo

[cavita]

This is by no means a complete list but starting in 1962 theses are some of the Sicilian immigrants to Rockford, the year they arrived and what town in Sicily they came from. In some cases I added a little extra information. Remember, some of these men came with other family members- brothers, parents, etc. so the number of Sicilian immigrants to the area was staggering. Some of these families spread out to Beloit, Wisconsin and South Beloit, Illinois while others went to Rockton, Roscoe, Byron and Rochelle. I'm not saying all these men were connected to the Rockford LCN but many were.

Salvatore “Sam” Galluzzo 1962 ARAGONA confirmed LCN member, ran The Soccer Club gambling ring with brother Natale
Giacomo Rosolia 1962 MARSALA
Gaspare Artale 1963 ROCCAMENA said to be Mafia member in Sicily
Francesco, Ignazio and Gaetano Milone circa 1964 CORLEONE
Carlo Caruana 1965 ARAGONA
Vincenzo Calvanese 1966 ARAGONA
Ignazio Mazzarese circa 1966 MARSALA
Carl Seminerio 1966 ARAGONA owner of Little Italy Restaurant, front for narcotics. Underboss Buscemi fronted $80,000 for the business
Ignazio “Iggy” Seminerio 1966 ARAGONA owner of Little Italy Restaurant front for narcotics
Calogero Orifici 1966 UCRIA owner of Orifici’s Italian Foods
Giuseppe Barone 1966 UCRIA
Luciano Miceli late 1960s ALIA
Antonio Miceli late 1960s ALIA
Vito Gabriele circa 1967 MARSALA bought Pietro Alfano’s restaurant in Rockford in 1967 and called it Vito's Diner
Biagio DiPasquale 1967 ALIA
Antonino Cimino 1968 RIBERA
Francesco Cimino 1968 RIBERA his pizzeria was mentioned in Frank Buscemi’s FBI files
Antonio Tarara 1968 ARAGONA
Pietro Orlando circa 1969 VALGUARNERA
Benedetto Foto circa 1969 ROCCAMENA
Antonino “Dino” Laudicina 1969 MARSALA owner of Napoli’s Pizza and his financials were mentioned in Sebastian Gulotta’s FBI files
Diego Tarara circa 1969 ARAGONA
Antonio Radosta circa late 1960s VALGUARNERA
Calogero Lattuca early 1970s ARAGONA bought Giuseppi’s Restaurant from Rockford LCN boss Joe Zammuto LCN
Alberto Pipitone about 1971 MARSALA pizzeria owner in Rockton, Illinois
Giuseppe Ocello 1972 BURGIO distributed narcotics on behalf of Rockford LCN
Pietro Salamone circa 1972 ARAGONA
Alberto “Bino” Seminerio 1972 ARAGONA owner of Bino’s Restaurant, distributor of narcotics, possible Mafia member from Sicily
Alfonso DiGiacomo 1972 ARAGONA owner of Sam’s Pizza, distributor of narcotics
Salvatore DiGiacomo 1972 ARAGONA owner of Sam’s Pizza, distributor of narcotics
Michele Intravaia 1973 PALERMO his pizzeria Rosa’s Pizza mentioned in Sebastian Gulotta’s FBI files
Michele “Mike” Galluzzo 1973 ARAGONA by way of Belgium, owner of Sam’s Pizza
Natale Galluzzo circa 1973 ARAGONA by way of Belgium. With brother Sam, ran The Soccer Club gambling ring
Giovanni Frisella circa 1973 SAMBUCA his John’s Pizza distributed narcotics for Rockford LCN
Giuseppe Morreale late 1970s ARAGONA
Antonio Buscemi 1982 ARAGONA by way of Germany. Distributor of narcotics through Villa Di Roma restaurant
Angelo DiSciacca 1983 ARAGONA by way of Montreal, Canada owner of Luigi’s Pizza

[Wiseguy]

Rockford is obviously not a priority.

I'll give you one guess why.

There is obviously something there which was the point of this friggen thread until you hijacked it. The question is if it is a crew of the Outfit, a independent organization or a Sicilian organization.

This thread was started with a quote by me, in reference to me. I haven't hijacked anything. Quit whining like a little girl and making me out to be the bad guy.

Was it an Outfit crew? It's own family? Sicilian? Past tense. It's not anything now.

Coming from the guy that tried to turn this thread into a Dallas debate. Does this every get old for you? After all these years?

Apparently you don't understand the concept of tongue in cheek.

[Patrickgold]

I don't know why I am even asking my time. The freakin prosecutor and LE investigators on the case openly said that this gambling ring was not an LCN operation. So in conclusion we have a pissant gambling bust from 15 YEARS AGO that at best had loose ties to Chicago and is now being used to prove there is a LCN family in Rockford.


Pogo

Apparently you don’t listen from the guy that actually attended the trial. Prosecutors wanted too but the judge said no. So obviously if some newspaper reporter asked them if it is they are going to say no or risk a mistrial. Not hard to figure out. It’s not LCN but all the indicted have been listed as either associates or members in years past. Yea they were just independent criminals that had the operations running since 1980 when it was verified to be LCN but 20 years later it’s not. They couldn’t connect them to Chicago with the death of Frank Saladino and that is why they said it was not connected.