Does the Italian Mafia still exist in Los Angeles? Is the Los Angeles crime family still active today?

[Etna]

Mexican cartels are paramilitary, if a hypothetical war broke out between Italian crime family and Mexican cartel in NYC the feds would come down hard Rounding up cartel members, you can’t walk the streets of NYC with an assault rifle… especially given recent events police are very much on guard and on the look out for anything suspicious in Large metropolitan areas.

Cartels don't operate like that inside of the United States, they set up 3-10 man cells in an area with the goal being to fly under the radar.

Cartels operating in any form of conflict with LCN is ridiculous at best.

1. Cartels currently feud with each other over plazas along the border - routes to smuggle their drugs INTO the United States. The Mexican and Central American authorities are so damn corrupt, they can get away with it. Remember, these guys FEAR extradition into the United States. Look at how an all powerful Cartel God like El Chapo is in side of a maximum security prison.

2. Can any of the cartel sicarios speak english? If so, what are they going to do? Shake down a bunch of degenerate gamblers they don't even know in the middle of Brooklyn? Their paths would never cross with LCN. The mafia is going to fight over a tortilla stand fronting for a drug operation? Doubt it. If ANYTHING, members of LCN are customers - not rivals. Plus, whenever a conflict takes place, the guys fighting each other always know one another.

3. Any group that operates in the United States that is not native there tends to fly under the radar. Whether this is cartels, chinese, italian, russian or albanian groups. LCN has become americanized and in many ways - is now native to the U.S. Everyone else is cleaning their money.

[Nick Prango]

Mexican cartels are paramilitary, if a hypothetical war broke out between Italian crime family and Mexican cartel in NYC the feds would come down hard Rounding up cartel members, you can’t walk the streets of NYC with an assault rifle… especially given recent events police are very much on guard and on the look out for anything suspicious in Large metropolitan areas.

Cartels don't operate like that inside of the United States, they set up 3-10 man cells in an area with the goal being to fly under the radar.

Cartels operating in any form of conflict with LCN is ridiculous at best.

1. Cartels currently feud with each other over plazas along the border - routes to smuggle their drugs INTO the United States. The Mexican and Central American authorities are so damn corrupt, they can get away with it. Remember, these guys FEAR extradition into the United States. Look at how an all powerful Cartel God like El Chapo is in side of a maximum security prison.

2. Can any of the cartel sicarios speak english? If so, what are they going to do? Shake down a bunch of degenerate gamblers they don't even know in the middle of Brooklyn? Their paths would never cross with LCN. The mafia is going to fight over a tortilla stand fronting for a drug operation? Doubt it. If ANYTHING, members of LCN are customers - not rivals. Plus, whenever a conflict takes place, the guys fighting each other always know one another.

3. Any group that operates in the United States that is not native there tends to fly under the radar. Whether this is cartels, chinese, italian, russian or albanian groups. LCN has become americanized and in many ways - is now native to the U.S. Everyone else is cleaning their money.

I totally agree with you. These criminal organizations do not war against each other. It is not like in 80s action movies. The purpose of organized crime is to make money. How do you measure “power” with organizations like these? To my knowledge these criminal organizations do not war against each other so which is the more powerful in a military sense cannot be determined. The purpose of organized crime is to make money, not to terrorize or battle rivals.

[Nick Prango]

While it’s true the LCN in the U.S. isn’t what it once was at the peak of its power it’s still a viable and profitable criminal enterprise that has proven to be very resilient. The Mafia continues to make millions and millions of dollars from not only traditional mob rackets but new and innovative schemes. There have been numerous reports of the Mob’s demise over the last decade or so but families in and outside of New York remain.

While the above is true - if we are talking about New York, as well as a handful of small families elsewhere (namely New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago), you would do better to get your info (copied and pasted) from sources other than some blog entitled "About the Mafia" like above.

Welcome back Maxiepad.


Pogo

Oh great.

So you partially agree with me. Italian Mob is still very powerfull maybe not as the 30-40s or 70s but they are still making millions every year. "Appear strong when your are weak and appear weak when you are strong" After "Giuliani brought down the mob" 3 of the 5 families had a boss on the street.

9/11 resulted in a massive shift in focus on the part of the Federal Government which has allowed the mob to more or less stay stagnant for 20 years. Also i am not Maxiepad. I am just a guy who is a mafia enthusiast.

Obviously they aren't as powerful as they were even in the 80s, but Italian Crime Families are very far from being dead. Very, very far.

[Nick Prango]

While it’s true the LCN in the U.S. isn’t what it once was at the peak of its power it’s still a viable and profitable criminal enterprise that has proven to be very resilient. The Mafia continues to make millions and millions of dollars from not only traditional mob rackets but new and innovative schemes. There have been numerous reports of the Mob’s demise over the last decade or so but families in and outside of New York remain.

While the above is true - if we are talking about New York, as well as a handful of small families elsewhere (namely New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago), you would do better to get your info (copied and pasted) from sources other than some blog entitled "About the Mafia" like above.

Welcome back Maxiepad.


Pogo

Oh great.

What is your opinion on Detroit crime family. IMO the Detroit Partnership has proven itself to be a very stable and resilient crime family considering what most other Cosa Nostra families deal with in the way of internal strife and law enforcement scrutiny. The fact you don't hear about Detroit crime family shows their strength. In fact, they probably are the most sophisticated and "white collar" of any family in the country. The Detroit Family has always been lowkey. While the feds have always aggressively gone after the Chicago, Philly and New York families, Detroit has always been around in the shadows. Keeping a low profile. Old school. Hardly any rats either. They ain’t going anywhere. They have the strongest code of silence and have legitimized their children. They adapted. Since the beginning of the Detroit L.C.N they have invested and purchased legitimate business . That is the smart way to go . They are far more insular than many families other than the Genovese and Rizzuto families. They have had the least amount of informants from inside of their family and they carried on pretty successfully after the Gamtax case and among other indictments. DETROIT Partnership doesn’t have many mob style killing or indictments because a lot of the marriages are “in house.” Made guys nephews marrying made guys nieces and so on.

[Nick Prango]

While it’s true the LCN in the U.S. isn’t what it once was at the peak of its power it’s still a viable and profitable criminal enterprise that has proven to be very resilient. The Mafia continues to make millions and millions of dollars from not only traditional mob rackets but new and innovative schemes. There have been numerous reports of the Mob’s demise over the last decade or so but families in and outside of New York remain.

While the above is true - if we are talking about New York, as well as a handful of small families elsewhere (namely New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago), you would do better to get your info (copied and pasted) from sources other than some blog entitled "About the Mafia" like above.

Welcome back Maxiepad.


Pogo

Oh great.

LCN will always exist & thrive in NYC. Something like 11% of the overall population is Italian (which is absolutely mind boggling), and there’s still healthy Italian immigration to the burroughs & to a lesser extent the surrounding suburbs. There are still tons of young guys looking to get stripes & engage in street violence

If there’s one family that appears to be primarily senior businessmen now, it’s Chicago. Even some of the guys that have gotten made into the Outfit over the past two decades, like Steve Panzarella, have been businessmen rather than street guys. I personally believe otherwise, that the Outfit have a good amount of young talent & that there is still violence taking place (the Feds there are just too consumed with the gang violence to keep tabs on the Outfit), but if we are going solely off of arrests & indictments over the past two decades, NYC is (and has always been) way more heavy handed & astronomically more active than Chicago. A made guy hasn’t gotten knocked down in Chicago since 2006 (Little Tony Zizzo) NYC families are much, much more violent & heavy handed than Chicago over the past 20 years, if we’re going off of busts & indictments. Quite literally, the only two cases of Outfit violence over the past two decades were the Carparelli & Panozzo indictments, and the Panozzo thing was more armed robberies than actual violence. There has been much more action in NY/NJ, even Philly. Heck, just a couple years ago, the Luccheses were chasing people over state lines trying to kill them.

[Nick Prango]

There are black and Latino street gangs in any city you goto in the United States, this wouldn't be the reason as to not move.

The FBI has a huge erection for LCN and will chase them anywhere they go.

Frankly, LCN probably just lacks the motivation and desire to uproot their families to go off to LA on the whim of striking gold out there.

What about African American gangs, Armenian gangs or Hells Angels. I don't believe they pay street tax to La Eme.

Armenian gangs 100%

La Eme, only gets a tax from Sureno street gangs and certain Armenian gangs. There are 100% Armenian gangs that are not down with the AP13 movement.

Do not seem like street gangs(even La Eme) are much of rivals to LCN, street gangs are on way different turfs and crimes.

[Nick Prango]

Irish, Cuban, Russian, Chinese, Albanian, African American, Puerto Rican etc criminal organizations are not serious competition for what the F.B.I. calls traditional organized crime, the Italian mob. They do not demonstrate the established criminal sophistication of traditional La Cosa Nostra (LCN) organisations. There is no single criminal organization in United States structured hierarchically like the traditional LCN. Other criminal organizations are not clearly defined or organised and are instead grouped around a central leader or leaders.

i'm agree in the united states there is not a single group even close to lcn at its peak in the 1960s, not even mexican cartels, and even today a really weakened lcn is still the strongest in new york and other eastern areas, other groups tend to be too much overyped by media

They are just not as big (membership) or as public any more and the feds aren't as focused on bringing them down anymore either. But they're still making plenty of money. I cant think of any recent arrests on the Genoveses and Gambinos specifically. But they're still involved in basically all the sake things they were back in the Mafia heyday. Though I do remember back around 2010 the Lucchese's were arrested for a $2 billion+ gambling ring. So you can get an idea of how much the 5 Families are still making. Still have some pull in the unions. Got a significant grasp on sports betting and loan sharking market. Luchese family's New Jersey bookmaking operation took in $2.2 billion in bets over 15 months in the mid-2000s. Genoveses have a bigger bookmaking operation than that. Genoveses also have the most union control out of the remaining families.

It's a far cry from how they were in the 1970s and 1980s but they're still the most significant organised-crime presence in the Northeastern USA . They also don't murder anymore, at least not that much as they did in the 80s, because it attracts too much attention, quite understandable. The fact that murders have a way of completely gutting a family of their leadership 20-30 years after they happen. How many times have we seen families lose bosses and capos because of old murders that the Feds were finally able to pin on them? Murder stay murder. While they do still commit murders its nothing like before far and few in between. Unless you look at Canada which has over 50 mafia related murders in the past 15 years

[PolackTony]

While it’s true the LCN in the U.S. isn’t what it once was at the peak of its power it’s still a viable and profitable criminal enterprise that has proven to be very resilient. The Mafia continues to make millions and millions of dollars from not only traditional mob rackets but new and innovative schemes. There have been numerous reports of the Mob’s demise over the last decade or so but families in and outside of New York remain.

While the above is true - if we are talking about New York, as well as a handful of small families elsewhere (namely New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago), you would do better to get your info (copied and pasted) from sources other than some blog entitled "About the Mafia" like above.

Welcome back Maxiepad.


Pogo

Oh great.

LCN will always exist & thrive in NYC. Something like 11% of the overall population is Italian (which is absolutely mind boggling), and there’s still healthy Italian immigration to the burroughs & to a lesser extent the surrounding suburbs. There are still tons of young guys looking to get stripes & engage in street violence

If there’s one family that appears to be primarily senior businessmen now, it’s Chicago. Even some of the guys that have gotten made into the Outfit over the past two decades, like Steve Panzarella, have been businessmen rather than street guys. I personally believe otherwise, that the Outfit have a good amount of young talent & that there is still violence taking place (the Feds there are just too consumed with the gang violence to keep tabs on the Outfit), but if we are going solely off of arrests & indictments over the past two decades, NYC is (and has always been) way more heavy handed & astronomically more active than Chicago. A made guy hasn’t gotten knocked down in Chicago since 2006 (Little Tony Zizzo) NYC families are much, much more violent & heavy handed than Chicago over the past 20 years, if we’re going off of busts & indictments. Quite literally, the only two cases of Outfit violence over the past two decades were the Carparelli & Panozzo indictments, and the Panozzo thing was more armed robberies than actual violence. There has been much more action in NY/NJ, even Philly. Heck, just a couple years ago, the Luccheses were chasing people over state lines trying to kill them.

Please do enlighten us as to how you seem to know for a fact that Panzarella is a made guy? While you're at it, fill us in on the names and "street guy" status (or lack thereof) of the other guys Chicago has made in the past 20 years. I suppose Fat Mike told you before he got locked up? You'd be doing us Chicago posters a huge service as we're pretty much in the dark on these matters.

[Ozgoz]

This thread is like when you know a lot about a subject and you go to a party and some schmuk is going on and on and on and on waffling away stating every myth as fact and you just have to stand, nod, and take it as you plan an exit strategy.

[Nick Prango]

While it’s true the LCN in the U.S. isn’t what it once was at the peak of its power it’s still a viable and profitable criminal enterprise that has proven to be very resilient. The Mafia continues to make millions and millions of dollars from not only traditional mob rackets but new and innovative schemes. There have been numerous reports of the Mob’s demise over the last decade or so but families in and outside of New York remain.

While the above is true - if we are talking about New York, as well as a handful of small families elsewhere (namely New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago), you would do better to get your info (copied and pasted) from sources other than some blog entitled "About the Mafia" like above.

Welcome back Maxiepad.


Pogo

Oh great.

LCN will always exist & thrive in NYC. Something like 11% of the overall population is Italian (which is absolutely mind boggling), and there’s still healthy Italian immigration to the burroughs & to a lesser extent the surrounding suburbs. There are still tons of young guys looking to get stripes & engage in street violence

If there’s one family that appears to be primarily senior businessmen now, it’s Chicago. Even some of the guys that have gotten made into the Outfit over the past two decades, like Steve Panzarella, have been businessmen rather than street guys. I personally believe otherwise, that the Outfit have a good amount of young talent & that there is still violence taking place (the Feds there are just too consumed with the gang violence to keep tabs on the Outfit), but if we are going solely off of arrests & indictments over the past two decades, NYC is (and has always been) way more heavy handed & astronomically more active than Chicago. A made guy hasn’t gotten knocked down in Chicago since 2006 (Little Tony Zizzo) NYC families are much, much more violent & heavy handed than Chicago over the past 20 years, if we’re going off of busts & indictments. Quite literally, the only two cases of Outfit violence over the past two decades were the Carparelli & Panozzo indictments, and the Panozzo thing was more armed robberies than actual violence. There has been much more action in NY/NJ, even Philly. Heck, just a couple years ago, the Luccheses were chasing people over state lines trying to kill them.

Please do enlighten us as to how you seem to know for a fact that Panzarella is a made guy? While you're at it, fill us in on the names and "street guy" status (or lack thereof) of the other guys Chicago has made in the past 20 years. I suppose Fat Mike told you before he got locked up? You'd be doing us Chicago posters a huge service as we're pretty much in the dark on these matters.

I have read on Reddit that he was allegedly made by Sarno before he went to jail.

[Nick Prango]

While it’s true the LCN in the U.S. isn’t what it once was at the peak of its power it’s still a viable and profitable criminal enterprise that has proven to be very resilient. The Mafia continues to make millions and millions of dollars from not only traditional mob rackets but new and innovative schemes. There have been numerous reports of the Mob’s demise over the last decade or so but families in and outside of New York remain.

While the above is true - if we are talking about New York, as well as a handful of small families elsewhere (namely New Jersey, Boston, Philadelphia, and Chicago), you would do better to get your info (copied and pasted) from sources other than some blog entitled "About the Mafia" like above.

Welcome back Maxiepad.


Pogo

Oh great.

LCN will always exist & thrive in NYC. Something like 11% of the overall population is Italian (which is absolutely mind boggling), and there’s still healthy Italian immigration to the burroughs & to a lesser extent the surrounding suburbs. There are still tons of young guys looking to get stripes & engage in street violence

If there’s one family that appears to be primarily senior businessmen now, it’s Chicago. Even some of the guys that have gotten made into the Outfit over the past two decades, like Steve Panzarella, have been businessmen rather than street guys. I personally believe otherwise, that the Outfit have a good amount of young talent & that there is still violence taking place (the Feds there are just too consumed with the gang violence to keep tabs on the Outfit), but if we are going solely off of arrests & indictments over the past two decades, NYC is (and has always been) way more heavy handed & astronomically more active than Chicago. A made guy hasn’t gotten knocked down in Chicago since 2006 (Little Tony Zizzo) NYC families are much, much more violent & heavy handed than Chicago over the past 20 years, if we’re going off of busts & indictments. Quite literally, the only two cases of Outfit violence over the past two decades were the Carparelli & Panozzo indictments, and the Panozzo thing was more armed robberies than actual violence. There has been much more action in NY/NJ, even Philly. Heck, just a couple years ago, the Luccheses were chasing people over state lines trying to kill them.

Please do enlighten us as to how you seem to know for a fact that Panzarella is a made guy? While you're at it, fill us in on the names and "street guy" status (or lack thereof) of the other guys Chicago has made in the past 20 years. I suppose Fat Mike told you before he got locked up? You'd be doing us Chicago posters a huge service as we're pretty much in the dark on these matters.

I have read on Reddit that he was allegedly made by Sarno before he went to jail.

This guy BokaBreeze posts interesting stuff about the Outfit.

[TallGuy19]

This thread is like when you know a lot about a subject and you go to a party and some schmuk is going on and on and on and on waffling away stating every myth as fact and you just have to stand, nod, and take it as you plan an exit strategy.

I don't know if this guy is trolling or if he actually believes this stuff. It's like he knows just enough about organized crime to make up stories that would sound believable to someone who doesn't know anything about the mob.

[Nick Prango]

This thread is like when you know a lot about a subject and you go to a party and some schmuk is going on and on and on and on waffling away stating every myth as fact and you just have to stand, nod, and take it as you plan an exit strategy.

I don't know if this guy is trolling or if he actually believes this stuff. It's like he knows just enough about organized crime to make up stories that would sound believable to someone who doesn't know anything about the mob.

I am not trolling and i am not making up stories. I just want to discuss about organized crime and gangs. That is why i joined this forum.

[Rat]

The Mexican Mafia was heavily modeled after LCN. Hence the name “mafia”

They organize themselves into crews, when someone’s a member they’re called a “made man,” and when they induct members they call it “opening the books.”

Most of the veteran eme members have a lot of respect for LCN. Plus the Mexican mafia works with various cartels and have had a major alliance with the Aryan Brotherhood for over 60 years. They don’t prohibit other groups from operating in SoCal

Also the Mexican Mafia formed in 1958 and the LA mafia lasted until the 1990s. So the two were operating around eachother for over 30 years without any issue

[Ozgoz]

This thread is like when you know a lot about a subject and you go to a party and some schmuk is going on and on and on and on waffling away stating every myth as fact and you just have to stand, nod, and take it as you plan an exit strategy.

I don't know if this guy is trolling or if he actually believes this stuff. It's like he knows just enough about organized crime to make up stories that would sound believable to someone who doesn't know anything about the mob.

I am not trolling and i am not making up stories. I just want to discuss about organized crime and gangs. That is why i joined this forum.

We’re just busting your balls. I would read a lot more here before you post. The guys here have an insanely deep and complex knowledge of the subject matter. We’re a long way past ‘Gotti ruined the mob.’ Welcome, though lol