That's a good way to put it.stubbs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:52 am I think too many of y’all are making the mistake of looking at Montreal through the lens of the five families. This seems to be wrong.
If the Bonannos have ten crews (random number to make a point), all ten of those crews are essentially all part of the same organization.
This doesn’t seem to be the case in Montreal. Montreal seems to be much more loosely organized than New York. So Montreal could have a bunch of crews, but some may be made Bonanno members, some may be made in the Sicilian mafia, some could be made by the Rizzutos (outside of Bonanno), and may even be not formally made and still command a lot of power in the streets.
I say this because I look at Montreal as a semi-open city where anyone can operate, as long as you kick up some tribute to Rizzuto. Like, Vito Rizzuto was more or less a diplomat and a politician who kept all of these different groups with different allegiances from going to war. As soon as he was out of the picture, all of these groups started fighting for turf.
So, Rizzuto’s power wasn’t the fact he commanded a loyal army that could rival the Colombos or whoever. It’s that he was able to make deals with all of these competing groups and convince them to make money together instead of going to war.
So, it’s far less formally structured in Montreal than in New York. If a five families boss goes to jail, the borgata just replaces them and keeps moving along. But in Montreal, Vito knew what would happen when he was arrested in 2004 and he even warned the cops what was going to come.
This is why Project Colisee hit them so hard, the Rizzutos group was actually small in numbers, so one bust and they’re all off the street. But the other groups were still out there and Dejardins faction tried seizing power in the vacuum. Same thing with the Scoppas. But none of them had the diplomacy skills that Vito had and they couldn’t get all of the different factions to work together.
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Good stuff, Ive said the same stuff about 15 different ways... guys have tunnel vision...stubbs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:52 am I think too many of y’all are making the mistake of looking at Montreal through the lens of the five families. This seems to be wrong.
If the Bonannos have ten crews (random number to make a point), all ten of those crews are essentially all part of the same organization.
This doesn’t seem to be the case in Montreal. Montreal seems to be much more loosely organized than New York. So Montreal could have a bunch of crews, but some may be made Bonanno members, some may be made in the Sicilian mafia, some could be made by the Rizzutos (outside of Bonanno), and may even be not formally made and still command a lot of power in the streets.
I say this because I look at Montreal as a semi-open city where anyone can operate, as long as you kick up some tribute to Rizzuto. Like, Vito Rizzuto was more or less a diplomat and a politician who kept all of these different groups with different allegiances from going to war. As soon as he was out of the picture, all of these groups started fighting for turf.
So, Rizzuto’s power wasn’t the fact he commanded a loyal army that could rival the Colombos or whoever. It’s that he was able to make deals with all of these competing groups and convince them to make money together instead of going to war.
So, it’s far less formally structured in Montreal than in New York. If a five families boss goes to jail, the borgata just replaces them and keeps moving along. But in Montreal, Vito knew what would happen when he was arrested in 2004 and he even warned the cops what was going to come.
This is why Project Colisee hit them so hard, the Rizzutos group was actually small in numbers, so one bust and they’re all off the street. But the other groups were still out there and Dejardins faction tried seizing power in the vacuum. Same thing with the Scoppas. But nnel visionnone of them had the diplomacy skills that Vito had and they couldn’t get all of the different factions to work together.
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It's why I think the Inzerillos are a MUCH better comparison.... they arnt a large group either... maintained standing and power....
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Recently, I've been trying to figure the Caruanas Cuntreras operations in Ostia... apparently they tried to colonize Ostia. Like for a period they actually controlled OC in Rome. It's possible they might be the inspiration for the Sicilian mafia in Subburra.
https://www.leggo.it/italia/roma/vito_t ... 75547.html
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Vito Triassi, the "colonel" of the Caruana-Cuntrera clan, rival of the Spada, died in Tenerife
Vito Triassi, the "colonel" of the Caruana-Cuntrera clan, rival of the Spada, died in Tenerife
Monday 4th February 201901:15
by Emilio Orlando
A heart attack killed Vito Triassi, one of the bosses who made good and bad weather on the Roman coast. The man was in Tenerife, Spain, when he fell ill and collapsed on the ground while he was near his home. The homonymous clan controlled the racket of beaches, kiosks and some establishments in Ostia together with drug trafficking. Together with his brother Vincenzo Triassi he was the colonel of the historic Caruana-Cuntrera mafia family of Siculiana in the province of Agrigento.
The mafia infiltration of the Sicilian clan was carried out in Ostia after the "colonization" of the Banda della Magliana. Vito and Vincenzo Triassi were sent to Ostia to stay obliged, but they continued their criminal activity which began in Sicily, with the control of almost all of the economic activities on the Roman coast.
The drug and arms trafficking was managed by the historic Caruana-Cuntrera di Siculiana mafia family.
( Dont really care what people think.... this has always been this clans strength... it's also why the Canadian journalist constantly speculate on ndrangheta being behind the intrigues. Not some Imaginary Cosa Nostra vs Ndrangheta war, its competing business interest, narcotics routes and supply, access to ports....)
According to investigations by the district anti-mafia directorate, the Triassi family dealt with drug and arms trafficking that also came from the Balkans. They were linked to the Fasciani clan and had close relations with the survivors of the Banda della Magliana.
In May 2006 Triassi had already been kicked in Ostia , under his home near the Cape Verde Islands. Not even a year after a new attack. It was September 20, 2007 in Casal Palocco, on the Roman coast, when two people shot him. He was admitted to the hospital of Ostia and underwent surgery. And he got away with it on this occasion too. In 2011, on the other hand, his brother Vincenzo was ambushed. And since then the judicial problems for the clan also began.
The motive for the attack lay in the friction of two criminal groups that controlled Ostia for the underworld. The last blitz that saw the Triassi in handcuffs was the anti-crime operation baptized by the investigators "Maverick" which beheaded the clan between Lazio and Sicily with forty-two arrests. Yesterday it was a heart attack that took his life.
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Vito Triassi, the "colonel" of the Caruana-Cuntrera clan, rival of the Spada, died in Tenerife
Vito Triassi, the "colonel" of the Caruana-Cuntrera clan, rival of the Spada, died in Tenerife
Monday 4th February 201901:15
by Emilio Orlando
A heart attack killed Vito Triassi, one of the bosses who made good and bad weather on the Roman coast. The man was in Tenerife, Spain, when he fell ill and collapsed on the ground while he was near his home. The homonymous clan controlled the racket of beaches, kiosks and some establishments in Ostia together with drug trafficking. Together with his brother Vincenzo Triassi he was the colonel of the historic Caruana-Cuntrera mafia family of Siculiana in the province of Agrigento.
The mafia infiltration of the Sicilian clan was carried out in Ostia after the "colonization" of the Banda della Magliana. Vito and Vincenzo Triassi were sent to Ostia to stay obliged, but they continued their criminal activity which began in Sicily, with the control of almost all of the economic activities on the Roman coast.
The drug and arms trafficking was managed by the historic Caruana-Cuntrera di Siculiana mafia family.
( Dont really care what people think.... this has always been this clans strength... it's also why the Canadian journalist constantly speculate on ndrangheta being behind the intrigues. Not some Imaginary Cosa Nostra vs Ndrangheta war, its competing business interest, narcotics routes and supply, access to ports....)
According to investigations by the district anti-mafia directorate, the Triassi family dealt with drug and arms trafficking that also came from the Balkans. They were linked to the Fasciani clan and had close relations with the survivors of the Banda della Magliana.
In May 2006 Triassi had already been kicked in Ostia , under his home near the Cape Verde Islands. Not even a year after a new attack. It was September 20, 2007 in Casal Palocco, on the Roman coast, when two people shot him. He was admitted to the hospital of Ostia and underwent surgery. And he got away with it on this occasion too. In 2011, on the other hand, his brother Vincenzo was ambushed. And since then the judicial problems for the clan also began.
The motive for the attack lay in the friction of two criminal groups that controlled Ostia for the underworld. The last blitz that saw the Triassi in handcuffs was the anti-crime operation baptized by the investigators "Maverick" which beheaded the clan between Lazio and Sicily with forty-two arrests. Yesterday it was a heart attack that took his life.
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Seriously now.... what the fuck kinda "regime" is this?
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Probably the most sensible post and in a way describing the Montreal faction that I have had the opportunity to read on this Forum. Well done Stubbs. Unfortunately, the Montreal Mafia is too often tended to be seen as an entity similar to a New York borgata. Montreal is unique and specific in terms of the organization within Cosa Nostra in North America.stubbs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:52 am I think too many of y’all are making the mistake of looking at Montreal through the lens of the five families. This seems to be wrong.
If the Bonannos have ten crews (random number to make a point), all ten of those crews are essentially all part of the same organization.
This doesn’t seem to be the case in Montreal. Montreal seems to be much more loosely organized than New York. So Montreal could have a bunch of crews, but some may be made Bonanno members, some may be made in the Sicilian mafia, some could be made by the Rizzutos (outside of Bonanno), and may even be not formally made and still command a lot of power in the streets.
I say this because I look at Montreal as a semi-open city where anyone can operate, as long as you kick up some tribute to Rizzuto. Like, Vito Rizzuto was more or less a diplomat and a politician who kept all of these different groups with different allegiances from going to war. As soon as he was out of the picture, all of these groups started fighting for turf.
So, Rizzuto’s power wasn’t the fact he commanded a loyal army that could rival the Colombos or whoever. It’s that he was able to make deals with all of these competing groups and convince them to make money together instead of going to war.
So, it’s far less formally structured in Montreal than in New York. If a five families boss goes to jail, the borgata just replaces them and keeps moving along. But in Montreal, Vito knew what would happen when he was arrested in 2004 and he even warned the cops what was going to come.
This is why Project Colisee hit them so hard, the Rizzutos group was actually small in numbers, so one bust and they’re all off the street. But the other groups were still out there and Dejardins faction tried seizing power in the vacuum. Same thing with the Scoppas. But none of them had the diplomacy skills that Vito had and they couldn’t get all of the different factions to work together.
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Interesting story on the death of a low level plate in the West End Gang:
http://coolopolis.blogspot.com/2020/09/ ... n.html?m=1
http://coolopolis.blogspot.com/2020/09/ ... n.html?m=1
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Montreal underworld leader pleads guilty in Albany [New York]
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article ... 605424.php
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article ... 605424.php
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^^^^
Murdered mobster’s brother pleads guilty in U.S.-Canada drug smuggling scheme
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/0 ... cheme.html
Murdered mobster’s brother pleads guilty in U.S.-Canada drug smuggling scheme
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/0 ... cheme.html
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Deux accusés demandent leur libération provisoire
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... isoire.php
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... isoire.php
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100 milliards $ blanchis en 2019 par le crime organisé
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/ ... is-en-2019
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2020/ ... is-en-2019
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Tête dirigeante de la mafia et toujours avocat
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/17 ... at-barreau
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Laurentian wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:43 am Tête dirigeante de la mafia et toujours avocat
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/17 ... at-barreau
See also complete ruling at :
https://www.canlii.org/fr/qc/qccs/doc/2 ... cs582.html
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Un trafiquant voulait être libéré malgré des menaces sur sa vie
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... sa-vie.php
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/just ... sa-vie.php