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Italian mafia sees German justice system as 'a joke'
The Italian mafia has hundreds of members in Germany pulling strings in the international drug trade. The latest major trial shows how lengthy legal procedures and lenient verdicts are no match for organized crime.
Fourteen defendants face an array of charges in court in the western German city of Düsseldorf, and the main ones pertain to the trafficking and sale of cocaine. Well over half a ton of cocaine: 680 kilograms (1,499 pounds) all told, being sold at prices of up to €36,000 (roughly $43,000) per kilo.

Five are suspected members of the Calabrian 'Ndrangheta syndicate and all 14 reside in Germany's most populous state of North Rhine-Westphalia (NRW). Their passports reveal NRW's 'Ndrangheta as an international employer: Italian, German, Dutch, Turkish, Moroccan, Portuguese. Translators from Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey are on hand in court.

Chief judge Jens Luge even joked that he was "grateful" that nobody had brought the 649 pages of indictments to the court in written form, because "then we would run out of space."

For most of the defendants, the mafia's rule of silence omerta will apply in court. But prosecutors hope a key witness who they have turned, could tip the balance.

Coronavirus puts case on lockdown
Yet the coronavirus pandemic can even interrupt Germany's prosecution of organized crime. Defendant Halil B.'s mother has COVID-19, and so he must self-isolate for two weeks, despite having tested negative himself. The judge decided that the trial can't be split up, it must run with all 14 defendants present. Tentatively, proceedings could restart on October 24 — barring another case in one of the families.

"They will definitely try to do everything they can to undermine the proceedings," David Schraven, publisher at the German investigative journalism outlet correctiv.org and author of a 2017 bestseller about the mafia in Germany, told DW. "Trying to hold the trial just now, you can reckon with it maybe taking 18 months before a verdict comes."

The defendants are also accused of supporting an organized crime group, tax evasion, money laundering, cannabis trafficking, fraud, and violations of firearms laws. They could face up to 15 years in prison on paper.

But with their army of 40 defense lawyers and the possibilities of parole, Schraven argues that past form suggests it's more likely they receive sentences closer to six years — and parole after around four.

"Our prosecution system is a joke for mafia groups. In the mafia, they price this in — they expect to face trials and even convictions. But the penalties threatened in Germany are laughably mild. They're not a deterrent. The mafia isn't bothered by them," Schraven said. "With a bit of luck, they might even be back out within three years. The concept of social rehabilitation really does reach its limits when dealing with career criminals."
Germany — a prime location for organized crime
Almost 4 tons of cocaine was seized in the Netherlands as part of the broader European "Operation Pollino" targeting the 'Ndrangheta that culminated in major raids in December 2018. Even that is just the tip of an iceberg. Italian police last year estimated the 'Ndrangheta's cocaine market share at between 60-80% across the continent. It's often shipped from Latin America among legal goods like bananas, rice or timber, sent to nominally legitimate but mafia-owned companies.

The defendants in NRW are mainly involved in trafficking the drugs from the major Dutch ports in Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Antwerpinto such shell companies in Germany, often Italian restaurants or ice cream parlors. Straddling the borders to the west, and also opening the doors to much of central Europe via Germany's other borders, NRW is a strategically crucial region for the mafia.

As well as dominating Europe's cocaine trade, the 'Ndrangheta is something of a market leader in Germany too. Of the 585 suspected members of Italian organized crime groups recognized by Germany's investigative BKA police force in their most recent national report, 344 were believed to be 'Ndrangheta. The other two Italian groups large enough to be specifically named were Sicily's Cosa Nostra and the Camorras from the Campania.

"Germany provides an important territory for Italian organized crime because of its strong economy, good traffic infrastructure and its large community with roots in Italy, among other things," the BKA told DW in a written response. "Germany is used as a quiet space to lie low, but also as an area of operation and investment."

Investigators also acknowledge that many more operatives are likely unknown to law enforcement. That's doubly true given the modern mafia's efforts not to stand out via violent crimes — the brutal 2007 murders of six people in Duisburg, part of a feud between rival "Ndrangheta clans, have become the exception these days. Italian organized crime groups have abandoned their often bloody claims on territory when operating outside the motherland, opting to cooperate with each other instead.

"It's ever more common for mafia groups of different backgrounds to work together — especially in geographically strategic border regions between several countries," Laura Garavini, an Italian lawmaker and founder of the organization "Mafia? No thanks!", said on WDR public radio this week. "This gives them the chance to move more quickly and subtly between countries, hoping to carry out their criminal activities without facing punishment."

The statistics suggest, somewhat unsurprisingly given the geography, that Italian organized crime groups are particularly active in western and southern German states. Yet Schraven warns that these numbers can be misleading. Recent operations point to increased activity in eastern states also, albeit usually with operatives sent to these areas from western Germany. These suspects then show up in the stats according to their registered place of residence, not their area of operation.

Pandemic presents opportunities
While the coronavirus provides the chance to delay proceedings in the Düsseldorf courtroom, reduced border traffic, shipping, air freight, and even closed borders and ports could present challenges for the 'Ndrangheta's core smuggling operations this year.

That said, the economic instability created by the pandemic might also present opportunities for the increasingly important and more legitimate side of mafia operations — investing their money in nominally legal assets and businesses.

Germany's BKA said that while it did not yet have reliable national data for 2020 activity, it "could not rule out" groups like the 'Ndrangheta seeking to capitalize on the pandemic.

"The socio-economic effects of COVID-19, as well as an economic downturn, presents a number of criminal opportunities for organized crime structures," such as the theft or black market trade of goods that are in short supply, or fraud schemes, the BKA said.

Investigative journalist David Schraven says there's evidence of the 'Ndrangheta doubling down in one of its favorite cover industries.

"Currently you can observe how organized crime groups are buying into the gastronomy sector on a large scale because of the coronavirus," Schraven said. "A great many restaurants face severe financial emergencies and entire chains and series of companies are being bought out. Some are hollowed out into straw companies, in other cases, the legitimate managers are simply left in their jobs — only now they're paying partners from the mafia."
Well over half a ton of cocaine: 680 kilograms (1,499 pounds) all told, being sold at prices of up to €36,000 (roughly $43,000) per kilo. The defendants are also accused of supporting an organized crime group, tax evasion, money laundering, cannabis trafficking, fraud, and violations of firearms laws. They could face up to 15 years in prison on paper.

But with their army of 40 defense lawyers and the possibilities of parole, Schraven argues that past form suggests it's more likely they receive sentences closer to six years — and parole after around four.


These sentences are really a joke. One can calculate is it worth to sit in jail 4 years if you can made couple millions of euros for yourself.
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The legal system of all of Western Europe is a joke.
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Wiseguy wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:17 pm The legal system of all of Western Europe is a joke.
That's coming to America eventually, you know.

When the kids who have been raised on this "criminals are the real victims" mindset over the past couple decades come of age and take on leadership roles in society, it's happening. Probably around 2030 or so.

We're already supposed to think a piece of human garbage like George Floyd is some kind of martyr - and this will only get worse.

It will be interesting to see how the New York families adopt to this (probably inevitable) change. My guess is they'll start shooting again.
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Here in my country they say that criminals are victims of society, and human rights protect them.
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aleksandrored wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:29 pm Here in my country they say that criminals are victims of society, and human rights protect them.
Where do you live?
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Ivan wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:30 pm
aleksandrored wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:29 pm Here in my country they say that criminals are victims of society, and human rights protect them.
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Wiseguy wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:17 pm The legal system of all of Western Europe is a joke.
True, also jails are pretty comfortable. Sometimes it's look like criminals have more rights than victims.
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I think only Italy is hard on organized crime groups
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Wiseguy wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:17 pm The legal system of all of Western Europe is a joke.
Clearly. I take the example of my country where a life sentence is never real: release in 18 years for murder, 22 years for child murder. If the prisoner stays quiet during his sentence she is reduced and the guys can eventually get out after 15 years. It's aberrant. The worst is Portugal where they don't even have life sentences.

On the other hand, I disagree with maatsetungi, prisons (in France in anyway) are anything but comfortable: they are in advanced states of unsanitary conditions and above all are overcrowded. I'm not saying they should be housed in a Hilton hotel but at least building new ones wouldn't be a bad idea. Which poses another problem: inmateses are released too soon or some are not even incarcerated depending on the crime committed ...
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The DOJ is still probably still intimidating to most crooks, the resources alone.

Canada seems pretty weak on OC.
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Imagine what they think about the Canadian "justice" system lol. Remember that when Caruana got busted for a massive cocaine distribution and money laundering network 20 years ago he only had to serve 3 years(!) out of his 18 year sentence. Only reason he wasn't released is because he was held in custody while he fought his extradition hearing.
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Hired_Goonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:04 am Imagine what they think about the Canadian "justice" system lol. Remember that when Caruana got busted for a massive cocaine distribution and money laundering network 20 years ago he only had to serve 3 years(!) out of his 18 year sentence. Only reason he wasn't released is because he was held in custody while he fought his extradition hearing.
The Caruana brothers were not subsequently extradited to Italy ? Pasquale Cuntrera I don't know (is he still alive?), but Gaspare & Paolo Cuntrera are free now

I had seen a documentary about the mafia in Canada where an Italian journalist was interviewed and he was surprised that Canada did not have an anti-mafia law. This is probably why there is strong mafia activity there. But it is true that apart from Italy (which took time to set up) and the USA with RICO, I do not see other countries with strong organized crime laws
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motorfab wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:20 am
Hired_Goonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:04 am Imagine what they think about the Canadian "justice" system lol. Remember that when Caruana got busted for a massive cocaine distribution and money laundering network 20 years ago he only had to serve 3 years(!) out of his 18 year sentence. Only reason he wasn't released is because he was held in custody while he fought his extradition hearing.
The Caruana brothers were not subsequently extradited to Italy ? Pasquale Cuntrera I don't know (is he still alive?), but Gaspare & Paolo Cuntrera are free now

I had seen a documentary about the mafia in Canada where an Italian journalist was interviewed and he was surprised that Canada did not have an anti-mafia law. This is probably why there is strong mafia activity there. But it is true that apart from Italy (which took time to set up) and the USA with RICO, I do not see other countries with strong organized crime laws
Alfonso was definitely extradited around 2007 I believe to serve that 20 year bid he was already sentenced to in absentia. I'm not sure if Pasquale and Gerlando had charges in Italy at the time so I don't know where they are exactly now, I know they got convicted in the same Project Omerta case with Alfonso. But my point was that if Caruana didn't have that extradition battle to fight and wasn't held in custody during that, he would have been back on the streets by 2001 despite having just been convicted and sentenced to 18 years. Our "justice" system is a sick joke. We do have a gangsterism law which came into place as a response to the Quebec biker war but still, this place is open for business when it comes to organized crime.
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Hired_Goonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:09 am
motorfab wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:20 am
Hired_Goonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:04 am Imagine what they think about the Canadian "justice" system lol. Remember that when Caruana got busted for a massive cocaine distribution and money laundering network 20 years ago he only had to serve 3 years(!) out of his 18 year sentence. Only reason he wasn't released is because he was held in custody while he fought his extradition hearing.
The Caruana brothers were not subsequently extradited to Italy ? Pasquale Cuntrera I don't know (is he still alive?), but Gaspare & Paolo Cuntrera are free now

I had seen a documentary about the mafia in Canada where an Italian journalist was interviewed and he was surprised that Canada did not have an anti-mafia law. This is probably why there is strong mafia activity there. But it is true that apart from Italy (which took time to set up) and the USA with RICO, I do not see other countries with strong organized crime laws
Alfonso was definitely extradited around 2007 I believe to serve that 20 year bid he was already sentenced to in absentia. I'm not sure if Pasquale and Gerlando had charges in Italy at the time so I don't know where they are exactly now, I know they got convicted in the same Project Omerta case with Alfonso. But my point was that if Caruana didn't have that extradition battle to fight and wasn't held in custody during that, he would have been back on the streets by 2001 despite having just been convicted and sentenced to 18 years. Our "justice" system is a sick joke. We do have a gangsterism law which came into place as a response to the Quebec biker war but still, this place is open for business when it comes to organized crime.
Same, and we have a mob that is developing strongly and is (in my opinion) becoming as big as the Italians. Not even to mention the suburban thugs who have been dealing tons of drugs with impunity for years. Guys assault cops, burn cars or police stations, and cops can't even defend themselves.
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Hired_Goonz wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:04 am Imagine what they think about the Canadian "justice" system lol. Remember that when Caruana got busted for a massive cocaine distribution and money laundering network 20 years ago he only had to serve 3 years(!) out of his 18 year sentence. Only reason he wasn't released is because he was held in custody while he fought his extradition hearing.
Yeah I think they’ve caught multiple Ndrangheta bosses on wires laughing at the justice system in Canada.
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