Gotti Sr was the shooter on Vito Borelli hit

[Shellackhead]

Has there ever been a boss of a family that has never pulled the trigger on a hit? Im sure theres one or two modern ones

Frank Cali probably

[Stroccos]

was massino at the hit ?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Has there ever been a boss of a family that has never pulled the trigger on a hit? Im sure theres one or two modern ones

Frank Cali probably

Good question.

Do we know if Cali was ever suspected in any work?

[Pmac2]

Fish cafaro sponcer barney. He never put him in a murder or himself for thatmatter

[JesusMalverde]

Fish cafaro sponcer barney. He never put him in a murder or himself for thatmatter

Fish never killed anyone either because fat tony protected him

[Pogo The Clown]

If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo

[Shellackhead]

If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo

I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.

[Wiseguy]

If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo

I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.

My understanding is everyone involved is taking the same amount of risk, more or less, and so they get the "credit." It's why Gravano claimed 19 murders even though he was the shooter only once.

In terms of it being a requirement to be made, I don't think there would be enough hits needed to insist that the candidate actually pull the trigger.

[Pogo The Clown]

At least since the 1950s guys were getting made without ever taking part in a murder. The majority that have been made since since the 1970s never took part any hits.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

At least since the 1950s guys were getting made without ever taking part in a murder. The majority that have been made since since the 1970s never took part any hits.


Pogo

"If a guy is a good earner, the family doesn't care if he's never seen a gun." - George Freselone

[Shellackhead]

If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo

I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.

My understanding is everyone involved is taking the same amount of risk, more or less, and so they get the "credit." It's why Gravano claimed 19 murders even though he was the shooter only once.

In terms of it being a requirement to be made, I don't think there would be enough hits needed to insist that the candidate actually pull the trigger.

You read my mind, I was gonna use that Gravano example.

[Shellackhead]

If we are talking stictly pulling a trigger and not just never taking a part in a murder then a lot of Bosses and Acting Bosses fit the bill.


Junior Gotti, Peter Gotti, Little Allie Boy Persico, Joe Defede, Sal Montagna, Joe Cammarano, Frank Guarraci, Carmen and Anthony DiNunzio and several others. There are countless outside of the East Coast.


Pogo

I read back then, talking 90s and before, to get made you didn’t have to kill someone with your own hands (gun) but simply just be participating in one, either as a backup shooter, or a getaway driver or as a blocker.

My understanding is everyone involved is taking the same amount of risk, more or less, and so they get the "credit." It's why Gravano claimed 19 murders even though he was the shooter only once.

In terms of it being a requirement to be made, I don't think there would be enough hits needed to insist that the candidate actually pull the trigger.

Yeah exactly my point, most kills that connected guys committed before getting their button was usually a hanger on, or someone who went bad/disrespected a made guy, etc. of course ordered by the boss of that family through the made guy/Captain that the associate was being represented by

[Extortion]

At least since the 1950s guys were getting made without ever taking part in a murder. The majority that have been made since since the 1970s never took part any hits.


Pogo

I mean I believe it but how do you know? I mean what makes you so sure...I Mean there is more guys than murders for one i suppose. I think the consensus in modern times is that you be “capable” to kill if called

[Pogo The Clown]

Because I have a crystal ball.


Pogo