Cleveland John Scalish Deathbed wishes

[JCB1977]

Some good links

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 5c70a7cb0/

http://mafiahistory.us/maf-invl.html (Lonardo states when he was made Underboss, Rockman “then” filled him in on the Vegas skim. That indicates to me that Rockman was in the know with certain things more so than Angelo)

[Stroccos]

I don't know , I believe lonardo said because he wasn't made they didn't realize he was in charge of the skim fo Cleveland. wasn't there a beef with the skim and Chicago stepped in and that's how they got there piece

Thanks again and i have to research that since im first time hearing about this or maybe some of the fellas can add something to it...

Btw, you ever stumbled upon this?

yeah I have heard of that angelo lonardo was also into the company

[Villain]

I don't know , I believe lonardo said because he wasn't made they didn't realize he was in charge of the skim fo Cleveland. wasn't there a beef with the skim and Chicago stepped in and that's how they got there piece

Thanks again and i have to research that since im first time hearing about this or maybe some of the fellas can add something to it...

Btw, you ever stumbled upon this?

yeah I have heard of that angelo lonardo was also into the company

Thanks. I tried to find any further info on what went down with the bonding business since according to Alex, it was some type of "race" between Chicago and Cleveland...do you know if Cleveled took control of the scheme?

[JCB1977]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

[JCB1977]

I think Lonardo was the logical choice. Rockman said that Licavoli was chosen to be new boss but Rockman was closer to Licavoli then he was to Lonardo. The question was weather Rockman could control Licavoli easier then Lonardo.

Lonardo and Rockman were brother in laws, they were both married to a Scalish sister. They definitely had friction and when Lonardo met with Chicago he asked Rockman to take walk when the sit down started. Both were very close to Scalish.

Rockman also knew he could control Jack White...never would have happened under Lonardo...in Leonardo’s eyes, Maishe was a Jew.

Thanks for the details. I find quite interesting the situation in which both Rockman and Lonardo were married into the same family...it seems old man Scalish was all about cash and connections....in some east coast crime families, if there was a friction, usually the non-Ital got the "best" of it, way worst than the situation in which Rockman had to leave the meeting. This also might suggest (like you already said) that Rockman left that meeting only because of the alleged friction between him and Lonardo, not because Rockman was simply a non-Ital or any guys from the opposition had a problem with it. It seems Lonardo looked at him as a simple Jew because of the problem. This also very much corresponds with the moment that later the Chi boys apologized to Rockman.

The truth can usually be found in the details. Cheers

it was the chicago guy who asked him to leave

rockman he converted to catholic, I think lonardo was ok with Rockman until big ange went to jail

My bad, he was asked to leave because he was Jewish and not made. From my understanding, Lonardo had a lukewarm relationship with Rockman even though they were brother in laws. Maishe and Scalish grew up together. If I am not mistaken, wasn't Scalish married to Rockman's sister as well?

[Villain]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

Thanks again

[Sam22]

Pretty sure Giancana ended up getting ripped off for a large amount of money by Lou Brady. Then he had him killed.

[Villain]

Pretty sure Giancana ended up getting ripped off for a large amount of money by Lou Brady. Then he had him killed.

Correct

[Stroccos]

I think Lonardo was the logical choice. Rockman said that Licavoli was chosen to be new boss but Rockman was closer to Licavoli then he was to Lonardo. The question was weather Rockman could control Licavoli easier then Lonardo.

Lonardo and Rockman were brother in laws, they were both married to a Scalish sister. They definitely had friction and when Lonardo met with Chicago he asked Rockman to take walk when the sit down started. Both were very close to Scalish.

Rockman also knew he could control Jack White...never would have happened under Lonardo...in Leonardo’s eyes, Maishe was a Jew.

Thanks for the details. I find quite interesting the situation in which both Rockman and Lonardo were married into the same family...it seems old man Scalish was all about cash and connections....in some east coast crime families, if there was a friction, usually the non-Ital got the "best" of it, way worst than the situation in which Rockman had to leave the meeting. This also might suggest (like you already said) that Rockman left that meeting only because of the alleged friction between him and Lonardo, not because Rockman was simply a non-Ital or any guys from the opposition had a problem with it. It seems Lonardo looked at him as a simple Jew because of the problem. This also very much corresponds with the moment that later the Chi boys apologized to Rockman.

The truth can usually be found in the details. Cheers

it was the chicago guy who asked him to leave

rockman he converted to catholic, I think lonardo was ok with Rockman until big ange went to jail

My bad, he was asked to leave because he was Jewish and not made. From my understanding, Lonardo had a lukewarm relationship with Rockman even though they were brother in laws. Maishe and Scalish grew up together. If I am not mistaken, wasn't Scalish married to Rockman's sister as well?

yeah scalish and rockman married each others sisters , rockman converted from being a jew to catholic so he could marry scalishes sister

yeah they were tight , maybe a little rivalry because rockman was so close to johnny

even lonardo testifies to the fact rockman was basically made he was so respected in cleveland

[Stroccos]

I don't know , I believe lonardo said because he wasn't made they didn't realize he was in charge of the skim fo Cleveland. wasn't there a beef with the skim and Chicago stepped in and that's how they got there piece

Thanks again and i have to research that since im first time hearing about this or maybe some of the fellas can add something to it...

Btw, you ever stumbled upon this?

yeah I have heard of that angelo lonardo was also into the company

Thanks. I tried to find any further info on what went down with the bonding business since according to Alex, it was some type of "race" between Chicago and Cleveland...do you know if Cleveled took control of the scheme?

yes they did , , some kind of fraud happened in Indiana I think it was in 65 or 66 dominic lonardo was busted got slapped on the wrist , I would have to dig up the old newspaper article to see if my notes were correct but morris Mitchell was one of the local guys in indianoplis I think he had ties to the outfit
Cleveland guys angelo lonardo , dominic lonardo and dominick bartone

[FriendofFamily]

I just want to put this out there about Bonding in Chicago from the Akron/Cleveland Angle.

Whiskey Dick Percoco started off on North Hill in Akron, Ohio and loaned money (During Prohibition/Depression era) to guys to get bonded out and later started PC Bonding Agency. He also Started Summit Fidelity in Chicago. That Bonding Company put up a Bond for Jimmy Hoffa. So Akron Ohio / Cleveland Guys were already in Chicago Bonding Business.

My Wife and Whiskey Dick's niece Roomed together after High School in Downtown Akron. They were friends in High School and got into mischief together.

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[Stroccos]

I just want to put this out there about Bonding in Chicago from the Akron/Cleveland Angle.

Whiskey Dick Percoco started off on North Hill in Akron, Ohio and loaned money (During Prohibition/Depression era) to guys to get bonded out and later started PC Bonding Agency. He also Started Summit Fidelity in Chicago. That Bonding Company put up a Bond for Jimmy Hoffa. So Akron Ohio / Cleveland Guys were already in Chicago Bonding Business.

My Wife and Whiskey Dick's niece Roomed together after High School in Downtown Akron. They were friends in High School and got into mischief together.

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good point

interesting that Whiskey dick was dealing with the dorfmans

[FriendofFamily]

I just want to put this out there about Bonding in Chicago from the Akron/Cleveland Angle.

Whiskey Dick Percoco started off on North Hill in Akron, Ohio and loaned money (During Prohibition/Depression era) to guys to get bonded out and later started PC Bonding Agency. He also Started Summit Fidelity in Chicago. That Bonding Company put up a Bond for Jimmy Hoffa. So Akron Ohio / Cleveland Guys were already in Chicago Bonding Business.

My Wife and Whiskey Dick's niece Roomed together after High School in Downtown Akron. They were friends in High School and got into mischief together.

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good point

interesting that Whiskey dick was dealing with the dorfmans

Here are the FBI docs with Hoffa Summit Fidelity (Whiskey Dick from Akron) with Dorfman files.

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Then I will put the Cover page in case anyone wants to go deeper into the Bondings involved in Indianapolis Akron and Chicago Teamster etc. List goes on and on.

This is a couple pages excerpted just a taste of what was involved.

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