Murder at home owned by Rocco Luppino (Hamilton)

[SantoClaus]

^^^^
One problem with figuring out Tony Iavarone’s formal affiliation to any secret society — what exactly was the extent of his contact with a member of a defunct LA family? — is his ties to people in the orbit of the Montreal Mafia who are currently considered in the Rizzuto camp.

The Luppinos and the Violi brothers might not look favourably on Iavarone’s association with people in that camp.

I’ve never quite understood the newspaper articles that theorized Pat Musitano lost his protection after Vito Rizzuto died. In the off chance that after Musitano was released from prison in 2006, he got made into a Rizzuto Crime Family (R.C.F.) that may or may not exist — but not by an imprisoned Vito himself — wouldn’t Pat have continued to reap the benefits, even after Rizzuto’s death, of being made? And if Musitano continued to have ties with Montrealers after that death — there’s a possibility Pat attended the funeral services — were he and Iavarone on the same side all along after December 2013?

Or did they butt heads, with Montreal turning its back on Musitano — maybe Pat never did get made — and deciding to support Iavarone?

In my previous post I forgot to provide the link to Dianna/Diane Capobianco’s obituary — see https://www.friscolanti.com/obituary/dianna-capobianco.

There was an arrest involving the Gambinos/Inzerillo, around the same time as the major arrest of the Figliomeni family in Woodbridge. I believe that the Gambinos were in LA, so maybe that's who Iavorone is with? That would bring in the 5 families of NYC to Hamilton?

I also pretty sure, that the Capobianco's might also be tied into the Capobiancos associated with the Mercanti family of the catering business Carmen's, this could provide a stronger link within the government of the City of Hamilton, that may have been leveraged to take out the Musitanos.

The politicians, the Church, the police, along with the bikers, more than likely the same type of union that was used to attack the Rizzutos. There is a quote from one of the many times that Joe Violi has been caught on tape talking, this time, I'm referring to, he basically states that the bikers and Violi will control Hamilton, once the Musitanos are gone.

That’s what I’m thinking. He got made with the Gambinos/inzerillos in LA, who mostly absorbed the remnants of the old LA family, and are now under Tommy Gambino. Almost like a subfaction of the NY Gambinos, possibly their own family or under the inzerillo cosa nostra.

The Figliomenis in Woodbridge were busted in conjunction or close to the same time frame, as the Gambinos/Inzerillo, as well.

[SantoClaus]

Maybe that is of some significance, does anyone know anything about the STELLA rank in the Ndrangheta or the AA MIKE, as well as the HOLY MOTHER?

[Moscone65]

That’s what I’m thinking. He got made with the Gambinos/inzerillos in LA, who mostly absorbed the remnants of the old LA family, and are now under Tommy Gambino. Almost like a subfaction of the NY Gambinos, possibly their own family or under the inzerillo cosa nostra.

if it is true it means the gambinos/inzerillos are involved in what's happening in canada, it could be true but there is not any strong evidence of this so far aside iavarone being made in los angeles

Vito rizzuto met with sicilians from the gambinos/inzerillos in Toronto not long after he got out of prison

[scagghiuni]

That’s what I’m thinking. He got made with the Gambinos/inzerillos in LA, who mostly absorbed the remnants of the old LA family, and are now under Tommy Gambino. Almost like a subfaction of the NY Gambinos, possibly their own family or under the inzerillo cosa nostra.

if it is true it means the gambinos/inzerillos are involved in what's happening in canada, it could be true but there is not any strong evidence of this so far aside iavarone being made in los angeles

Vito rizzuto met with sicilians from the gambinos/inzerillos in Toronto not long after he got out of prison

do you have some links about it?

[SantoClaus]

That’s what I’m thinking. He got made with the Gambinos/inzerillos in LA, who mostly absorbed the remnants of the old LA family, and are now under Tommy Gambino. Almost like a subfaction of the NY Gambinos, possibly their own family or under the inzerillo cosa nostra.

if it is true it means the gambinos/inzerillos are involved in what's happening in canada, it could be true but there is not any strong evidence of this so far aside iavarone being made in los angeles

Vito rizzuto met with sicilians from the gambinos/inzerillos in Toronto not long after he got out of prison

Aren't they in the Dominican? If so, Billionaire Michael Degroote from Hamilton, should also be considered in this, since he is involved in a Casino deal in the Dominican, and brought Rizzuto in, they tried to play dumb, after Vito's death.

I think the above arrest are all Gambling related, plus the brother (Carbone or something?), that Degroote used the cops in Dominican, to railroad and put in jail. If they can use the cops in the Dominican, they can use them in Canada as well. How do people think they Lupara Bianca Paolo Renda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUqqROQwcwY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clCnnpvKnjs

[Lupara]

That’s what I’m thinking. He got made with the Gambinos/inzerillos in LA, who mostly absorbed the remnants of the old LA family, and are now under Tommy Gambino. Almost like a subfaction of the NY Gambinos, possibly their own family or under the inzerillo cosa nostra.

if it is true it means the gambinos/inzerillos are involved in what's happening in canada, it could be true but there is not any strong evidence of this so far aside iavarone being made in los angeles

How strong is the evidence actually that he was made in LA? Afaik it has been mentioned in only one article.

It is certainly not as strong as the evidence of Buffalo being alive, kicking and still calling the shots in Southern Ontario. Or not even as strong as Vito planting his flags all over the world.

[B.]

How strong is the evidence actually that he was made in LA? Afaik it has been mentioned in only one article.

The article cites information from a "police agent" in Canada. As Cabrini pointed out, this is probably a reference to Vincenzo Morena, who was described as a "police agent" and was cooperating during the same period. "Police agent" is a weird term for me as someone from the US, as we typically use informant/cooperator and "police agent" sounds like a LE officer, but other Canadian coverage definitely referred to informant Morena using that term.

If it came from Morena and was accurately reported by the journalist, it means a Bonanno member supplied the information, so he would be in a position to know about membership status in the area, as evidenced by his conversations with Violi. We can only hope more of Morena's information becomes public as the little bit that has leaked out has turned this board upside down more than once.

[Lupara]

How strong is the evidence actually that he was made in LA? Afaik it has been mentioned in only one article.

The article cites information from a "police agent" in Canada. As Cabrini pointed out, this is probably a reference to Vincenzo Morena, who was described as a "police agent" and was cooperating during the same period. "Police agent" is a weird term for me as someone from the US, as we typically use informant/cooperator and "police agent" sounds like a LE officer, but other Canadian coverage definitely referred to informant Morena using that term.

If it came from Morena and was accurately reported by the journalist, it means a Bonanno member supplied the information, so he would be in a position to know about membership status in the area, as evidenced by his conversations with Violi. We can only hope more of Morena's information becomes public as the little bit that has leaked out has turned this board upside down more than once.

If it comes from Morena it is decent evidence and it adds yet another angle to Canadian mafia politics. I also have trouble with the term police agent for the same reasons. Frankly, I find it incorrect.

[B.]

I think the idea is that the police are giving the informant "agency" to operate on their behalf. Like a secret agent. That's exactly what the Canadian discussions need, actually... "A Bonanno secret agent in Canada said that the murdered man was a member of a Los Angeles family."

Speaking of Morena, I don't think it has ever come out why he chose Hamilton. He was an Italian national and had been a NYC mafia associate before prison. There must be more to the story of why he chose Hamilton, why the Bonanno family wanted to induct him there, as well as why Violi was supportive of this move. None of it seems like a random decision.

[Lupara]

I think the idea is that the police are giving the informant "agency" to operate on their behalf. Like a secret agent. That's exactly what the Canadian discussions need, actually... "A Bonanno secret agent in Canada said that the murdered man was a member of a Los Angeles family."

[emoji3]

Thinking of it, the term 'agent' may indeed help certain people here to reconsider their pov...

Especially if we make it 'LE agent' or even better 'agent working with the feds'. 'Bonanno secret agent designated by the feds' may do the trick completely.

So... Bonanno secret agent working in close coherence with the FBI has recorded conversations with the Buffalo underboss beating out 30 other guys during a meeting with Todaro in Florida. Bonanno secret agent recorded Domenic Violi saying that Todaro told him that he made history.

It's not yet FBI recognising Buffalo again but it comes close doesn't it?

[B.]

Not the FBI, but the RCMP. Hopefully we get to see more of the info he collected, including tapes and his police interviews!

[johnny_scootch]

I think the idea is that the police are giving the informant "agency" to operate on their behalf.

I could be wrong about this but I believe the term 'police agent' denotes that the cooperator in question is/was being paid by a police agency.

Not the FBI, but the RCMP. Hopefully we get to see more of the info he collected, including tapes and his police interviews!

Fuck that I want to see the video of his making ceremony!!!

[antimafia]

I think the idea is that the police are giving the informant "agency" to operate on their behalf. Like a secret agent. That's exactly what the Canadian discussions need, actually... "A Bonanno secret agent in Canada said that the murdered man was a member of a Los Angeles family."

Speaking of Morena, I don't think it has ever come out why he chose Hamilton. He was an Italian national and had been a NYC mafia associate before prison. There must be more to the story of why he chose Hamilton, why the Bonanno family wanted to induct him there, as well as why Violi was supportive of this move. None of it seems like a random decision.

I don't think it has ever come out that Morena chose Hamilton; the RCMP might have chosen for him, i.e., it asked him to move to Hamilton.

Morena was not an FBI informant/CI/secret agent. He got caught up in the RCMP interprovincial investigation Operation J-Tornado, which focused on cocaine trafficking. The RCMP invested millions of dollars in the investigation, which lasted three years. Morena was not the only police agent that the RCMP used in this investigation, but from everything I've read -- most of which was in New Brunswick newspapers, not any newspaper in Quebec or Ontario -- Morena was the only police agent who had ties to Italian organized crime.

Excerpts from Jerry Capeci's Gang Land article published on or shortly before November 16, 2017:

Sources say Morena's trip from Bayside, Queens to Hamilton, Ontario, was a circuitous one that began with his Brooklyn Federal Court indictment along with Bonanno soldier Baldassare (Baldo) Amato and 20 other Giannini Crew members who were vying for big time roles with the Bonanno, Colombo and Gambino families.

After doing time for armed-robbery conspiracies of a bank and a bar, he was deported to Italy where he lived with his wife and son until 2011 when sources say he decided it would be easier for him to sneak back into Canada than the U.S., and he did so after his wife and son entered legally as visitors.

To make his detection as a convicted U.S. felon a trifle harder to spot, he became Vincenzo Morena, instead of the Americanized version he used growing up in Brooklyn. Sources say he flipped and began cooperating with the RCMP after he was arrested in August of 2014 in a suburb of Montreal as part of a coke smuggling ring.

[Lupara]

I think the idea is that the police are giving the informant "agency" to operate on their behalf. Like a secret agent. That's exactly what the Canadian discussions need, actually... "A Bonanno secret agent in Canada said that the murdered man was a member of a Los Angeles family."

Speaking of Morena, I don't think it has ever come out why he chose Hamilton. He was an Italian national and had been a NYC mafia associate before prison. There must be more to the story of why he chose Hamilton, why the Bonanno family wanted to induct him there, as well as why Violi was supportive of this move. None of it seems like a random decision.

I don't think it has ever come out that Morena chose Hamilton; the RCMP might have chosen for him, i.e., it asked him to move to Hamilton.

Morena was not an FBI informant/CI/secret agent. He got caught up in the RCMP interprovincial investigation Operation J-Tornado, which focused on cocaine trafficking. The RCMP invested millions of dollars in the investigation, which lasted three years. Morena was not the only police agent that the RCMP used in this investigation, but from everything I've read -- most of which was in New Brunswick newspapers, not any newspaper in Quebec or Ontario -- Morena was the only police agent who had ties to Italian organized crime.

Excerpts from Jerry Capeci's Gang Land article published on or shortly before November 16, 2017:

Sources say Morena's trip from Bayside, Queens to Hamilton, Ontario, was a circuitous one that began with his Brooklyn Federal Court indictment along with Bonanno soldier Baldassare (Baldo) Amato and 20 other Giannini Crew members who were vying for big time roles with the Bonanno, Colombo and Gambino families.

After doing time for armed-robbery conspiracies of a bank and a bar, he was deported to Italy where he lived with his wife and son until 2011 when sources say he decided it would be easier for him to sneak back into Canada than the U.S., and he did so after his wife and son entered legally as visitors.

To make his detection as a convicted U.S. felon a trifle harder to spot, he became Vincenzo Morena, instead of the Americanized version he used growing up in Brooklyn. Sources say he flipped and began cooperating with the RCMP after he was arrested in August of 2014 in a suburb of Montreal as part of a coke smuggling ring.

So he was seemingly in Montreal from 2011 through 2014 as a Bonanno associate/member. That means he was within certain circles and witnessed the Montagna-Desjardins conflict and Vito's vendetta. A very interesting time and place for a mobster. He must have a ton of knowledge about these affairs. He may be able to spill the beans on everything that was going on in Canada at the time.

Time for Mafia Inc. 2.0.

[antimafia]

^^^^
Everything you wrote is definitely a possibility.

Morena might have had more reason to sneak into Canada with the intention of settling in Quebec if Montagna was still alive. But we posters don't know when Morena arrived in Canada in 2011; Montagna was killed late November 2011.

If, as Capeci wrote, "Morena's trip from Bayside, Queens to Hamilton, Ontario was a circuitous one," did Morena live in several places in Canada before being arrested?

To be noted is that one aspect of Operation J-Tornado was the purchase by New Brunswick drug dealers of cocaine sold to them by sellers in Quebec -- this is why Morena was apprehended in a parking lot in Laval, the city immediately north of Montreal.