Joe the German Watts and his release

[NYNighthawk]

I heard his grandchildren are running around Staten Island using his name. Totally different scenario with Bilotti's grandchildren who are keeping a low profile. Anyone hear something different?
He gets out next year. In the end of Gravano's book Gravano's co-author talks about Watts turning - any blowback on that info?
He was so tight with Gotti, Sr. that he apparently was set up in the lawyers' office to talk to Gotti at Marion over the phone and relay orders. He seemed to have more pull than most capo's which doesn't make sense. I know he did not get along with Jr. but how was he treated by the capo's soldiers in the Gambino family? Did they just put up with him because of Sr? Also any word if Lewis Kasman will do a book?

[queensnyer]

I heard his grandchildren are running around Staten Island using his name. Totally different scenario with Bilotti's grandchildren who are keeping a low profile. Anyone hear something different?
He gets out next year. In the end of Gravano's book Gravano's co-author talks about Watts turning - any blowback on that info?
He was so tight with Gotti, Sr. that he apparently was set up in the lawyers' office to talk to Gotti at Marion over the phone and relay orders. He seemed to have more pull than most capo's which doesn't make sense. I know he did not get along with Jr. but how was he treated by the capo's soldiers in the Gambino family? Did they just put up with him because of Sr? Also any word if Lewis Kasman will do a book?

obviously not first hand knowledge....but watts was feared and respected on the streets by not only the guys he was around, but other families as well. he was a german associate who had the latitude of a captain. able to do deals with other families and go to sit downs on his own. he was/is the real deal. as far as his cooperation Ive never heard anything concrete or that seems legit but who knows. a lot of guys get rumor's spread by the less respected and jealous

[SonnyBlackstein]

latitude of a captain

Good word

[Mikeymike12]

Watts was a guy who would be allowed to pass messages from a made guy to another , that should show you the clout this guy had. He was basically a button guy without a button. Like a Burke , Lansky etc

[NYNighthawk]

Read Gravano's book and what the co-author Peter Mass wrote about Watts at the end when he hired F. Lee Bailey to represent him against Sammy. I just cant see a Vincent Gigante or Tony Salerno sitting down with a non-made guy to do a deal breaker.

[JeremyTheJew]

Also there was a article where Junior and maybe Alite were hiding in a bathroom to clip someone high up. Someone stupid to clip and when Watts got there he was pist they even thought they'd do that and he was some sort of messenger at this point as well.


In the first post it said he might have flipped?? Did I read that right??

Also every family/boss had non made associates and non Italians around them.

Chin/Savino
Casso/Kaplan
Luciano/Lansky
Zerilli and Tocco / Henry milf (??)
Whole Chicago Outfit.
Etc etc

[NYNighthawk]

Am I the only person who read Gravano's book Underboss? Read the last chapter which was all about Watts and his pre-trial prep work against Sammy taking the stand against him. WTF - this is the first time anyone on the Board has heard about this?

[JeremyTheJew]

Am I the only person who read Gravano's book Underboss? Read the last chapter which was all about Watts and his pre-trial prep work against Sammy taking the stand against him. WTF - this is the first time anyone on the Board has heard about this?

Iv read underboss 2x and I don't remember that at all....

Sooo.... He testified against gravano as in trying to show the negative character witness???

I don't understand exactly what you mean bc Watts was a messenger for Gotti snr after he was locked up

[dack2001]

Was that in the paperback version? I don't remember anything about that in the HC version but its been years since I read it.

[Bklyn21]

Was that in the paperback version? I don't remember anything about that in the HC version but its been years since I read it.

Same here , I read that years ago and don't remember this in the Hardcover ?

[MoLarryCurly]

Am I the only person who read Gravano's book Underboss? Read the last chapter which was all about Watts and his pre-trial prep work against Sammy taking the stand against him. WTF - this is the first time anyone on the Board has heard about this?

Heard about it, seems like one of those things no one wanted to believe so no one looked into it

[Fughedaboutit]

Watts was more deserving than getting made then a ton of losers in the Gambinos...Stone cold killer and a money maker but he didnt have the genes

[NYNighthawk]

when you say cold stone killer - how many hits did he do? He sounded like a punk when he tortured and killed that mentally ill young man who took a shot at Gotti outside of the Bergin Hunt and Fish club. He was nothing more than a scumbag for killing that guy when he knew he was semi- retarded.

[Pete]

I think he proffered as far as I know he never testified against anyone

[NYNighthawk]

I think he proffered as far as I know he never testified against anyone

+1 - basically that's what's in Gravano's book. Did F. Lee Bailey help with that proffer?