Kenjis book and Milano family

[Wiseguy]

Jiggy had me create some charts- I was 16 fucking years old for God's sakes, don't hold it against me

Of course not. I was a teen myself and I fell for that shit. Ah the good ole days of the mob forums.


Pogo

I was naive once too. You guys may recall the Milwaukee chart by "MilwaukeePhil" that showed 30+ members or the St Louis chart by "salviardi" that showed over 20 members. I took them at face value before I wised up.

[Angelo Santino]

Jiggy had me create some charts- I was 16 fucking years old for God's sakes, don't hold it against me

Of course not. I was a teen myself and I fell for that shit. Ah the good ole days of the mob forums.


Pogo

I remember, back on LA Crime File forum, that you had Ronnie Lorenzo as an associate only, not made nor a capo. And I argued against you that your info could be dated. You humbly agreed that it could... I think we both came along way since then.

One day "Angelo Molisani" got into a dispute with Jiggy and Jiggy accused me- his former copartner in LA OC- as being one and the same. He began to drop out certain personal information that I told him in private, Angelo Molisani was actively posting: "WTF? I'm not fucking 25!"... So I emailed Jiggy after a long 5 year hiatus of non-speaking asking "yo Jiggs, WTF?" He responded that HE KNOWS I'm behind Angelo Molisani and that is why he gave me a "Fake admin list" of Rizzitello family members to see what I would do wit it. As if I fucking let it out, you fraudulent asshole. I smiled and wished him luck and congratulated him on his vocational education (he claimed to me he had a BA) and that pissed him off even more and recited some old shit I told him from 6 years prior.

So bottomline, he may have been feeding me a bunch of bullshit. That Rizzitello info that you posted, that he originally posted, might be fake because he also gave it to me to see what I would do with it. As you can see for the last 10 years I've grown rich off it .

[Angelo Santino]

Jiggy had me create some charts- I was 16 fucking years old for God's sakes, don't hold it against me

Of course not. I was a teen myself and I fell for that shit. Ah the good ole days of the mob forums.


Pogo

I remember, back on LA Crime File forum, that you had Ronnie Lorenzo as an associate only, not made nor a capo. And I argued against you that your info could be dated. You humbly agreed that it could... I think we both came along way since then.

One day "Angelo Molisani" got into a dispute with Jiggy and Jiggy accused me- his former copartner in LA OC- as being one and the same. He began to drop out certain personal information that I told him in private, Angelo Molisani was actively posting: "WTF? I'm not fucking 25!"... So I emailed Jiggy after a long 5 year hiatus of non-speaking asking "yo Jiggs, WTF?" He responded that HE KNOWS I'm behind Angelo Molisani and that is why he gave me a "Fake admin list" of Rizzitello family members to see what I would do wit it. As if I fucking let it out, you fraudulent asshole. I smiled and wished him luck and congratulated him on his vocational education (he claimed to me he had a BA) and that pissed him off even more and recited some old shit I told him from 6 years prior.

So bottomline, he may have been feeding me a bunch of bullshit. That Rizzitello info that you posted, that he originally posted, might be fake because he also gave it to me to see what I would do with it. As you can see for the last 10 years I've grown rich off it .

And more on that: he claimed to be a Detroit expert and that there were actually five (5!) crime families operating under the "Partnership." That Jack Tocco was the boss of his own faction and also a sort of "boss of bosses" of Detroit and Michigan, which was spread out evenly amongst the 5 crime families.

I'm glad Scott came foreward and swept that bullshit away. Say what you will about him, he never argued that there were Five Crime Families operating out of Detroit.

[JCB1977]

I think it was quite common in the 1960s for mobsters to share confidential information with the FBI as long as they believed it couldn't be used (in their minds at least) to hurt other mobsters. The Bureau was desperate for this type of intel at the time. Harry Riccobene once told the FBI that it was okay to talk with law enforcement "as long as one does not "hurt" anyone."

Another example of a mobster who shared historical information about his crime family was Pittsburgh Crime Family member Sam Mannarino. He told the FBI a ton of stuff about the family going back to the 1930s, how he started off, who made him, etc but didn't really reveal anything, as far as I could tell, that could be used to hurt anyone.

What is your source for the Sam Mannarino accusation? I could certainly guarantee that if Sam talked and his brother Kelly found out about it...he would have whacked him without hesitating, blood or no blood. Kelly was as gangster as you could get. However, Sam did work with the CIA during a time of communism and "supposedly" was in on a plan to kill Castro. I'd be interested to see where your information comes from as I have in my possession over 30,000 pages of FBI reports on the Mannarino brothers. Sam came up under John Bazzano Sr., then Frank Amato Sr. and then John LaRocca...all three bosses were ruthless when it came to exposing LCN. If it is in fact true, I'd be shocked.

[Ed]

I deduced it from the FBI documents at MF. I’m not claiming Mannarino pulled a “Scarpa” and revealed everything, only that he shared some historical information about himself and the crime family. He appeared to be upset he was pushed aside in the late 1950s. I think Mannarino was one of at least three member-informants in the Pittsburg Crime Family at different times in the 1960s. As for Sonny Ciancutti, lets just say “no comment”.

I’m writing something for Informer at some point and hopefully my evidence persuades readers. But I agree, I could have it wrong.

[JCB1977]

I deduced it from the FBI documents at MF. I’m not claiming Mannarino pulled a “Scarpa” and revealed everything, only that he shared some historical information about himself and the crime family. He appeared to be upset he was pushed aside in the late 1950s. I think Mannarino was one of at least three member-informants in the Pittsburg Crime Family at different times in the 1960s. As for Sonny Ciancutti, lets just say “no comment”.

I’m writing something for Informer at some point and hopefully my evidence persuades readers. But I agree, I could have it wrong.

Speaking with FBI agents "to do the dance" is vastly different than being an informant. As for Sonny Ciancutti, he has definitely skated by for a very long time. He is at The Meadows RAcetrack M-F gambling on the ponies. Every crime family had "some" informants. Are you from Pittsburgh Ed?

[Ed]

I refer to the mobster as an informant because that's the description used by the FBI. I think any mobster who reveals Intel that the FBI didn't otherwise know is a kind of informant, but like I said, I'm not making the case he did serious damage to the family.

I'm not from Pittsburgh.

[willychichi]

Some interesting information in the 1978 OCCC report on LCN players and activities in LA, San Jose and San Fran from the 50's to the 70's.

"One of the great paradoxes in law enforcement efforts against organized crime is that gambling, the primary income for the syndicate's legitimate and illegitimate interests, is rarely punished with strict penalties against those individuals convicted of gambling violations such as bookmaking. As a result, the punishment is merely considered a cost of doing business and the illegal activity continues. A recent example is the case of Harry Gross*, a longtime bookmaker. While on probation for a previous bookmaking conviction, which was netting $12 million per year, he was arrested in March 1978 for running another bookmaking operation. This latest operation was netting $50 million per year."

"According to the State Bureau of Criminal Statistics, there were 1,691 adult felony arrests for bookmaking in California during 1974, 1,702 arrests in 1975, and 1,690 arrests in 1976. Follow-up statistics for 1975 revealed that 79% of those arrested for felony bookmaking were convicted, but only 8% received a jail sentence and only 0.2% received a prison sentence. Public apathy to illegal gambling, in contrast to more violent types of crimes, plus the ostensibly victimless nature of this crime, probably contribute to lenient sentencing."

Read more: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitiz ... 1NCJRS.pdf

[Wiseguy]

I enjoyed Kenji's book as well, but I think he likes to tell stories. The only person who has ever claimed that there was any LCN activity in Denver is Kenji.

There was certainly lcn activity in Denver at some point I think what is disputed is how long ago that was

The last Denver mob case was in the late 70s/early 80s when the entire administration was taken down. So that's at least 35 years ago now. One of the Smaldones died back in 2006, if I remember right, with only one still alive.

[JCB1977]

I enjoyed Kenji's book as well, but I think he likes to tell stories. The only person who has ever claimed that there was any LCN activity in Denver is Kenji.

There was certainly lcn activity in Denver at some point I think what is disputed is how long ago that was

The last Denver mob case was in the late 70s/early 80s when the entire administration was taken down. So that's at least 35 years ago now. One of the Smaldones died back in 2006, if I remember right, with only one still alive.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4602277

[Wiseguy]

I enjoyed Kenji's book as well, but I think he likes to tell stories. The only person who has ever claimed that there was any LCN activity in Denver is Kenji.

There was certainly lcn activity in Denver at some point I think what is disputed is how long ago that was

The last Denver mob case was in the late 70s/early 80s when the entire administration was taken down. So that's at least 35 years ago now. One of the Smaldones died back in 2006, if I remember right, with only one still alive.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4602277

I was talking about Eugene Smaldone Jr. I believe he was made and is still alive and in his 70s?

[Pogo The Clown]

Eugene Jr. is probably in his 80s by now (if he is still alive). Paul Villano was the made member who died in 2006. He was a nephew of the Smaldone brothers and served as their Consiglieri.


Pogo

[JCB1977]

I enjoyed Kenji's book as well, but I think he likes to tell stories. The only person who has ever claimed that there was any LCN activity in Denver is Kenji.

There was certainly lcn activity in Denver at some point I think what is disputed is how long ago that was

The last Denver mob case was in the late 70s/early 80s when the entire administration was taken down. So that's at least 35 years ago now. One of the Smaldones died back in 2006, if I remember right, with only one still alive.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4602277

I was talking about Eugene Smaldone Jr. I believe he was made and is still alive and in his 70s?

http://www.denverpost.com/classics/ci_12399684 (Eugene Smaldone Sr died back in 1992, his son is still alive if I'm not mistaken) There are two Gene Smaldone's. The one is the sdon of Clyde and is striaght, the other is the son of Gene who took over the family business.

[JCB1977]

Here is a 1976 appeals case for Eugene Smaldone Jr., served time for trying to import cocaine.

http://openjurist.org/544/f2d/456/unite ... l-smaldone

[Stroccos]

It could be Carmen Milano. In the 90s he almost flipped for the feds but then changed his mind at the last minute and din't go all the way. Maybe he was secretely feeding info back then?


Pogo

Mere speculation. Not saying he wasn't, but there has never been concrete proof of that. I could assure you his father Tony and uncle Frank wouldn't have taken that too well.

I believe Carmen was floating the idea coming to Cleveland wearing A wire .