Scarfo jr a good of bad mobster?

[furiofromnaples]

For your opinion Scarfo jr is a real mobster or just a man that wanted to be like his father?

What I think in that a real mobster wont live Philly but continue to fight with his father loyalists.
Even before to be made in the Lucchese he didnt made seriously tentatives to return to philly.
And what about in the Luccheses? He was conderate a good earner or someone that was made thank to his surname?

[West Coast1]

I think if he had a different last name, people would blow him.

I know how easy it is to make him out to be a character.

My guess is that he is more real than people would think.

I have zero knowledge, just my guess

[Fughedaboutit]

I think if he had a different last name, people would blow him.

I know how easy it is to make him out to be a character.

My guess is that he is more real than people would think.

I have zero knowledge, just my guess

thanks for the insight!

[West Coast1]

haha

[SonnyBlackstein]

Can these garbage threads just be scrapped?

[JeremyTheJew]

Can these garbage threads just be scrapped?

Aye man

"Don't broke the balls'

[B.]

The question of "good" or "bad" mobster is kind of silly, but we should show Don Furio some respect and look at his question.

- Scarfo Jr. was described by his Newark handler George Fresolone as "serious", a sharp kid always coming up with ideas for new businesses and scams. He became involved in the lucrative joker poker business which was cut short by Fresolone's cooperation.

- Tommy Scafidi and Scarfo Jr. beat Marty Angelina with aluminum baseball bats because they didn't want wood bats to break. Not a fair fight, but it's not like the mafia squares up a one-on-one street boxing match to give a guy a beating -- they usually assign multiple people, surprise the victim, and beat them horribly and unfairly, often with weapons. Scarfo Jr. proved himself capable of mafia violence. Also, in the Philly tradition he was involved in some random nightlife fights and incidents as well, one alongside Colombo soldier Joe Gorgone Sr.

- Grew up around a crew of mafia killers. He lived in the same apartment building with his father, Leonetti, Larry Merlino, and Bobby Lumio. Others like Nick Virgilio were around constantly. He was surrounded by mafia members every day of his life and his father's life revolved around the mafia and nothing else.

- He survived a brutal unsanctioned murder attempt, didn't cooperate with authorities, and got back involved in the life immediately after getting out of the hospital, making collections on his way home. I am not a mafia fan, but that's a tough individual.

- Not only did he survive a murder attempt, but there was apparently an ongoing contract for some time afterward and he still returned to Atlantic City, opening a restaurant while his attempted murderer was taking over the family in nearby Philly. Scarfo Jr. was busted on illegal weapons charges during this period.

- After joining the Lucchese family and becoming capodecina, he escalated existing tensions by trying to recruit Philadephia members and successfully recruiting Philadelphia associates in an attempted takeover of the Ligambi-Merlino regime, a tight-knit group filled with known murderers.

- Along the Fresolone line, Scarfo Jr. did get involved in a massive (but ill-fated) scam with the FirstPlus Group. This was a sophisticated operation and no doubt the guilty parties did a poor job hiding their involvement, but it was an impressive scam while it lasted.

- Took a long prison sentence in the FirstPlus Case and didn't cooperate.

- On a personal level, dealt with his overbearing father going to prison for life, his cousin becoming a CW, and his brother incapacitating himself via botched suicide. I believe the brother was in his care living in Scarfo Jr.'s home for many years as well.

- Posted on Ancestry.com in the early 2000s talking about his family's Calabrian roots. Was considered fairly computer adept, more than the average mobster, and allegedly used computers in his criminal activities. Whether the mafia has fully taken advantage of it or not, tech and especially computers/internet have long been seen as a potential resource for the mafia.

- After reviewing the longer Stefanelli transcripts, I walked away with the impression that the Philly family was beefing about the Luccheses stealing Scarfo Jr. not necessarily so they could take him back and kill him (which is what I used to believe), but possibly to shape him up and make him part of their organization. We know they welcomed Scarfo's men Sam Piccolo and Anthony Persiano into Philly, so it's possible they recognized Scarfo Jr. as a potential asset if they could get him in line. Did anyone else pick up on that vibe in the transcript?

I never thought I'd make a long list of points about what a "good mobster" Nicky Scarfo Jr. is. He might have had his father pressuring him the entire time and media/LE on his case, but he stood up to the pressure and spotlight. It didn't work out for him because he's doing hard time now, but how much of that is because of his father's infamy and the era he was operating in? The Scarfo name is second to Gotti in modern mafia lore.

By being Scarfo's son, he was going to be scrutinized more than anyone else and of course the kid isn't going to turn out to be the next Marco Reginelli. It doesn't help that he looks like a 90s cartoon computer nerd. If Scarfo Jr. looked like Lorenzo Mannino I wonder how that would change perception of him. For that matter, if Pete Tuccio looked like a young Sylvester Stallone I wonder how people would talk about him.

I think Nicky Scarfo Jr. was good at being a mobster, not that being a mobster is a good thing.

[chin_gigante]

Natale also wanted to bring Scarfo Jr in during his time as boss and make him a capo in Atlantic City

[furiofromnaples]

The question of "good" or "bad" mobster is kind of silly, but we should show Don Furio some respect and look at his question.

- Scarfo Jr. was described by his Newark handler George Fresolone as "serious", a sharp kid always coming up with ideas for new businesses and scams. He became involved in the lucrative joker poker business which was cut short by Fresolone's cooperation.

- Tommy Scafidi and Scarfo Jr. beat Marty Angelina with aluminum baseball bats because they didn't want wood bats to break. Not a fair fight, but it's not like the mafia squares up a one-on-one street boxing match to give a guy a beating -- they usually assign multiple people, surprise the victim, and beat them horribly and unfairly, often with weapons. Scarfo Jr. proved himself capable of mafia violence. Also, in the Philly tradition he was involved in some random nightlife fights and incidents as well, one alongside Colombo soldier Joe Gorgone Sr.

- Grew up around a crew of mafia killers. He lived in the same apartment building with his father, Leonetti, Larry Merlino, and Bobby Lumio. Others like Nick Virgilio were around constantly. He was surrounded by mafia members every day of his life and his father's life revolved around the mafia and nothing else.

- He survived a brutal unsanctioned murder attempt, didn't cooperate with authorities, and got back involved in the life immediately after getting out of the hospital, making collections on his way home. I am not a mafia fan, but that's a tough individual.

- Not only did he survive a murder attempt, but there was apparently an ongoing contract for some time afterward and he still returned to Atlantic City, opening a restaurant while his attempted murderer was taking over the family in nearby Philly. Scarfo Jr. was busted on illegal weapons charges during this period.

- After joining the Lucchese family and becoming capodecina, he escalated existing tensions by trying to recruit Philadephia members and successfully recruiting Philadelphia associates in an attempted takeover of the Ligambi-Merlino regime, a tight-knit group filled with known murderers.

- Along the Fresolone line, Scarfo Jr. did get involved in a massive (but ill-fated) scam with the FirstPlus Group. This was a sophisticated operation and no doubt the guilty parties did a poor job hiding their involvement, but it was an impressive scam while it lasted.

- Took a long prison sentence in the FirstPlus Case and didn't cooperate.

- On a personal level, dealt with his overbearing father going to prison for life, his cousin becoming a CW, and his brother incapacitating himself via botched suicide. I believe the brother was in his care living in Scarfo Jr.'s home for many years as well.

- Posted on Ancestry.com in the early 2000s talking about his family's Calabrian roots. Was considered fairly computer adept, more than the average mobster, and allegedly used computers in his criminal activities. Whether the mafia has fully taken advantage of it or not, tech and especially computers/internet have long been seen as a potential resource for the mafia.

- After reviewing the longer Stefanelli transcripts, I walked away with the impression that the Philly family was beefing about the Luccheses stealing Scarfo Jr. not necessarily so they could take him back and kill him (which is what I used to believe), but possibly to shape him up and make him part of their organization. We know they welcomed Scarfo's men Sam Piccolo and Anthony Persiano into Philly, so it's possible they recognized Scarfo Jr. as a potential asset if they could get him in line. Did anyone else pick up on that vibe in the transcript?

I never thought I'd make a long list of points about what a "good mobster" Nicky Scarfo Jr. is. He might have had his father pressuring him the entire time and media/LE on his case, but he stood up to the pressure and spotlight. It didn't work out for him because he's doing hard time now, but how much of that is because of his father's infamy and the era he was operating in? The Scarfo name is second to Gotti in modern mafia lore.

By being Scarfo's son, he was going to be scrutinized more than anyone else and of course the kid isn't going to turn out to be the next Marco Reginelli. It doesn't help that he looks like a 90s cartoon computer nerd. If Scarfo Jr. looked like Lorenzo Mannino I wonder how that would change perception of him. For that matter, if Pete Tuccio looked like a young Sylvester Stallone I wonder how people would talk about him.

I think Nicky Scarfo Jr. was good at being a mobster, not that being a mobster is a good thing.

Thanks B. for the respect and the good answer.

[B.]

Any time, Furio.

[TommyGambino]

Excellent post, B.

[dack2001]

The transcripts make clear that Joe Ligambi was taking marching orders from Joey but at the same time was also a street boss with respect and his own power to make decisions. Joe's style seems much more likely to try to get somebody on board with the program than to be trying to stroke someone in order to kill them.

At the time of that conversation Stevie Mazzone was still inside I think, surely wasn't off parole, so those guys had all the power. Scoops has a personal relationship with Junior. They probably felt they could bring him into the fold. Besides, there is no way Philly gets any support to bring back Scarfo Jr. and his crew if they overtly indicated they wanted to kill them. There is plenty of precedent with guys getting made into other families in order to protect them from getting killed. Wouldn't surprise me if they intended to give Jr. a chance to straighten things out in AC. Would Joey have gone along when he got out? That's the $64,000 question and a risk Scarfo and Jr. weren't willing to take. Can't blame them either.

[dack2001]

As far as the ultimate question....which is sort of silly...….Jr. has dealt with multiple cases, two different bids, getting shot six times, his father taking life on the chin, walking around with a target on his back, becoming a captain, angling to take philly back, and was still able to rip off some bank in Texas(!) for 12 million and leaving a much younger wife behind?

Now you can argue he should have been more (much) circumspect but only a fool would argue with the bonafides.

[SantoClaus]

I believe Jr was made in the Lucchese, on per the request of Sr, to protect Jr life at the time.

[NJShore4Life]

The question of "good" or "bad" mobster is kind of silly, but we should show Don Furio some respect and look at his question.

- Scarfo Jr. was described by his Newark handler George Fresolone as "serious", a sharp kid always coming up with ideas for new businesses and scams. He became involved in the lucrative joker poker business which was cut short by Fresolone's cooperation.

- Tommy Scafidi and Scarfo Jr. beat Marty Angelina with aluminum baseball bats because they didn't want wood bats to break. Not a fair fight, but it's not like the mafia squares up a one-on-one street boxing match to give a guy a beating -- they usually assign multiple people, surprise the victim, and beat them horribly and unfairly, often with weapons. Scarfo Jr. proved himself capable of mafia violence. Also, in the Philly tradition he was involved in some random nightlife fights and incidents as well, one alongside Colombo soldier Joe Gorgone Sr.

- Grew up around a crew of mafia killers. He lived in the same apartment building with his father, Leonetti, Larry Merlino, and Bobby Lumio. Others like Nick Virgilio were around constantly. He was surrounded by mafia members every day of his life and his father's life revolved around the mafia and nothing else.

- He survived a brutal unsanctioned murder attempt, didn't cooperate with authorities, and got back involved in the life immediately after getting out of the hospital, making collections on his way home. I am not a mafia fan, but that's a tough individual.

- Not only did he survive a murder attempt, but there was apparently an ongoing contract for some time afterward and he still returned to Atlantic City, opening a restaurant while his attempted murderer was taking over the family in nearby Philly. Scarfo Jr. was busted on illegal weapons charges during this period.

- After joining the Lucchese family and becoming capodecina, he escalated existing tensions by trying to recruit Philadephia members and successfully recruiting Philadelphia associates in an attempted takeover of the Ligambi-Merlino regime, a tight-knit group filled with known murderers.

- Along the Fresolone line, Scarfo Jr. did get involved in a massive (but ill-fated) scam with the FirstPlus Group. This was a sophisticated operation and no doubt the guilty parties did a poor job hiding their involvement, but it was an impressive scam while it lasted.

- Took a long prison sentence in the FirstPlus Case and didn't cooperate.

- On a personal level, dealt with his overbearing father going to prison for life, his cousin becoming a CW, and his brother incapacitating himself via botched suicide. I believe the brother was in his care living in Scarfo Jr.'s home for many years as well.

- Posted on Ancestry.com in the early 2000s talking about his family's Calabrian roots. Was considered fairly computer adept, more than the average mobster, and allegedly used computers in his criminal activities. Whether the mafia has fully taken advantage of it or not, tech and especially computers/internet have long been seen as a potential resource for the mafia.

- After reviewing the longer Stefanelli transcripts, I walked away with the impression that the Philly family was beefing about the Luccheses stealing Scarfo Jr. not necessarily so they could take him back and kill him (which is what I used to believe), but possibly to shape him up and make him part of their organization. We know they welcomed Scarfo's men Sam Piccolo and Anthony Persiano into Philly, so it's possible they recognized Scarfo Jr. as a potential asset if they could get him in line. Did anyone else pick up on that vibe in the transcript?

I never thought I'd make a long list of points about what a "good mobster" Nicky Scarfo Jr. is. He might have had his father pressuring him the entire time and media/LE on his case, but he stood up to the pressure and spotlight. It didn't work out for him because he's doing hard time now, but how much of that is because of his father's infamy and the era he was operating in? The Scarfo name is second to Gotti in modern mafia lore.

By being Scarfo's son, he was going to be scrutinized more than anyone else and of course the kid isn't going to turn out to be the next Marco Reginelli. It doesn't help that he looks like a 90s cartoon computer nerd. If Scarfo Jr. looked like Lorenzo Mannino I wonder how that would change perception of him. For that matter, if Pete Tuccio looked like a young Sylvester Stallone I wonder how people would talk about him.

I think Nicky Scarfo Jr. was good at being a mobster, not that being a mobster is a good thing.

What is this about Nicky Scarfo Jr posting on Ancestry.com about his Calabrian roots? This is the first time I ever heard about this.