Symbol "T" Informants
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Symbol "T" Informants
In FBI File: NY 92 - 2300, "T" symbol informants number from 1-232.
Valachi is commonly believed to be the one of the first top echelon informants, actually #7. Scarpa must be a lower number. (1-6).
I would like to identify as many "T" symbol informants identities, as possible for the edification of the forum's many researchers.
Hopefully this thread will accomplish that.
Valachi is commonly believed to be the one of the first top echelon informants, actually #7. Scarpa must be a lower number. (1-6).
I would like to identify as many "T" symbol informants identities, as possible for the edification of the forum's many researchers.
Hopefully this thread will accomplish that.
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Re: Symbol "T" Informants
Correction: Valachi was T-8.
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Re: Symbol "T" Informants
Gregory Scarpa Sr. was enlisted as a top echelon informant as early as '61.
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I have a large file from 1967, so the NY-T symbols only go up to 194, but some of them are redacted, but they're mainly wiretaps.
NY T-4 is NY 4120-C*
NY T-8 is Valachi
NY T-9 is NK 2461-C*(DeCavalcante's Office Bug)
NY T-11 is BS 837-C*
NY T-14 is NK 2319-C*
NY T- 16 is NY 3986-C*
NY T- 17 is NY 3123-C*
NY T- 18 is NK 2251-C*
NY T- 19 is PH 623-C*
NY T- 20 is PH 591-C*
NY T- 28 is BU 380-C*
NY T- 32 is BS 82-C*
NY T- 35 is BS 812-C-TE
NY T- 40 is BU 258-C*
NY T- 41 is Assistant Chief of Detectives Michael D. Amico CID, Buffalo NY Police Department
NY T- 44 is Senior Investigator Maurice Gavin, BCI, NYSPD Athol Springs, NY
NY T- 45 is Lt. John Maccarone, Village of Depew, NY, PD
NY T- 49 is CG 6343-C*
NY T- 67 is DE 919-C*
NY T- 68 is JK 114-C*
NY T- 69 is SL 1241-C*
NY T- 71 is SL1249-C*
NY T- 87 is PH 702-C*
NY T- 93 is PH 637-C*
NY T-108 is Ralph Salerno CID, NYCPD
NY T- 109 is John Milenky, Chief Investigator, New York State Commission of Investigations.
NY T- 141 is Former NK 1989-C
NY T- 188 is Highly Confidential Source, New York State Police, in a position to report on the activities of Joseph Falcone and his associates.
NY T- 194 is CG 2588-C-TE
I can go through Mary Ferrell and see if I can find where the other bugs were placed later on.
NY T-4 is NY 4120-C*
NY T-8 is Valachi
NY T-9 is NK 2461-C*(DeCavalcante's Office Bug)
NY T-11 is BS 837-C*
NY T-14 is NK 2319-C*
NY T- 16 is NY 3986-C*
NY T- 17 is NY 3123-C*
NY T- 18 is NK 2251-C*
NY T- 19 is PH 623-C*
NY T- 20 is PH 591-C*
NY T- 28 is BU 380-C*
NY T- 32 is BS 82-C*
NY T- 35 is BS 812-C-TE
NY T- 40 is BU 258-C*
NY T- 41 is Assistant Chief of Detectives Michael D. Amico CID, Buffalo NY Police Department
NY T- 44 is Senior Investigator Maurice Gavin, BCI, NYSPD Athol Springs, NY
NY T- 45 is Lt. John Maccarone, Village of Depew, NY, PD
NY T- 49 is CG 6343-C*
NY T- 67 is DE 919-C*
NY T- 68 is JK 114-C*
NY T- 69 is SL 1241-C*
NY T- 71 is SL1249-C*
NY T- 87 is PH 702-C*
NY T- 93 is PH 637-C*
NY T-108 is Ralph Salerno CID, NYCPD
NY T- 109 is John Milenky, Chief Investigator, New York State Commission of Investigations.
NY T- 141 is Former NK 1989-C
NY T- 188 is Highly Confidential Source, New York State Police, in a position to report on the activities of Joseph Falcone and his associates.
NY T- 194 is CG 2588-C-TE
I can go through Mary Ferrell and see if I can find where the other bugs were placed later on.
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Re: Symbol "T" Informants
I found this file with all the "identities"(the original symbols they were given), listed. I've uploaded it to the FBI Files section.
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NY T-101-106 is associate Harold Konigsberg.
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Greg Scarpa is NY T-1/NY 3461-C-TE
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Thank you I'm going to compare those with some other files I'm reviewing. The "T" symbols can change from file to file.
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Re: Symbol "T" Informants
I went there Edmond Valin's excellent "Rat Trap" articles where deduces different informants and matched them to the file I posted in the FBI Files section. Hope this helps!
NY-T-157/MM -1231-C-TE is Willie Darra, Bonanno Family
NY T-6/NY 3864-C-TE is Alfredo Sanatonio, Gambino Family
NY-T-86/PH 672-C-TE is Rocco Scafidi, Philadelphia Family
NY T-95-98/SF 2689-C-TE is Anthony Lima, San Jose Family
NY T-24/SF 2550-C-TE is likely Salvatore Costanza, San Jose Family
NY T-107/SF 2354-C-TE is likely Frank Sorce, San Jose Family
NY T-35/BS 812 is Vincent Teresa, Boston Family
NY T-76/LA 4412-C-TE is Associate Nick Simponis, LA Family
NY T-51/LA 4448-C-TE is Salvatore Piscopo, LA Family
NY T-586/KC 586-C-TE, Joseph Guerra, Kansas City Family
Link to his blog on different informants:
http://mafiahistory.us/rattrap/rattrap-idx.html
NY-T-157/MM -1231-C-TE is Willie Darra, Bonanno Family
NY T-6/NY 3864-C-TE is Alfredo Sanatonio, Gambino Family
NY-T-86/PH 672-C-TE is Rocco Scafidi, Philadelphia Family
NY T-95-98/SF 2689-C-TE is Anthony Lima, San Jose Family
NY T-24/SF 2550-C-TE is likely Salvatore Costanza, San Jose Family
NY T-107/SF 2354-C-TE is likely Frank Sorce, San Jose Family
NY T-35/BS 812 is Vincent Teresa, Boston Family
NY T-76/LA 4412-C-TE is Associate Nick Simponis, LA Family
NY T-51/LA 4448-C-TE is Salvatore Piscopo, LA Family
NY T-586/KC 586-C-TE, Joseph Guerra, Kansas City Family
Link to his blog on different informants:
http://mafiahistory.us/rattrap/rattrap-idx.html
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Re: Symbol "T" Informants
What does the T stand for? Terminator? Was there a T-1000 and were they made of liquid metal and could morph into any wise guy?
No I’m kidding, but really, what did the T stand for? If I had to guess I would say something like “Top”, because clearly these are important informants.
No I’m kidding, but really, what did the T stand for? If I had to guess I would say something like “Top”, because clearly these are important informants.
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Re: Symbol "T" Informants
I have no clue, but I believe they called people like Greg Scarpa “top echelon” informants or sources, so that might be why. Top echelon in regards to their status in the underworld.Peppermint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:51 pm What does the T stand for? Terminator? Was there a T-1000 and were they made of liquid metal and could morph into any wise guy?
No I’m kidding, but really, what did the T stand for? If I had to guess I would say something like “Top”, because clearly these are important informants.
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T means Temporary, so a T number is a temporary number. If the source was kept on he or she would be given a permanent symbol and number. A criminal source was usually given a C number, for example.Peppermint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:51 pm What does the T stand for? Terminator? Was there a T-1000 and were they made of liquid metal and could morph into any wise guy?
No I’m kidding, but really, what did the T stand for? If I had to guess I would say something like “Top”, because clearly these are important informants.
This should help: https://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/foia/fbi-info
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Is there a way to find out who each individual was or is that keep classified forever?