Could the 1957-1976 books closed damaged little families?

[furiofromnaples]

The families in the east coast always had a large recruitment pool but the little families like L.A.,San Francisco ecc could be more damaged because in 1976 had more old members that want to retire and few men to made for replace them because the time was changed and the young italian americans don't wanted to follow the life.

[Frank]

The families in the east coast always had a large recruitment pool but the little families like L.A.,San Francisco ecc could be more damaged because in 1976 had more old members that want to retire and few men to made for replace them because the time was changed and the young italian americans don't wanted to follow the life.

I think the books were only closed to the NYC Families.

[furiofromnaples]

The families in the east coast always had a large recruitment pool but the little families like L.A.,San Francisco ecc could be more damaged because in 1976 had more old members that want to retire and few men to made for replace them because the time was changed and the young italian americans don't wanted to follow the life.

I think the books were only closed to the NYC Families.

No,the Commission closed the books for all the families in the US.

[Pogo The Clown]

It was only for NY and NJ. After Valachi flipped Philly had their books closed for a brief period but then they were opened again. NE and Buffalo might have had their closed for a while as well but if they were it was not for the full period like NY and NJ.


Pogo

[B.]

NYC/NJ closed their books in 1957, then the books were closed for other east coast families in the early 1960s after Valachi testified. They were re-opened for the other east coast families by the mid-1960s, though they had to request permission from the Commission as is the protocol.

Offhand I'm not sure whether western and midwest US families were also prevented from inducting new members between 1962-1965, but there were definitely inductions all around the US by the mid-1960s.

[Villain]

Even though Chicago made some guys while the books were closed, still we have some wiretapped convos in which one high level made member of the Outfit Joey DiVarco talks to a candidate about the books being opened and that in near future they will be able to induct new members. My personal theory is that this probably had to do something with Chicago receiving most of the CN traditions at the time or during the late 70s, meaning it is quite possible that they received some pressure from NY or the commission

[furiofromnaples]

Any infos on people made in 1960s?

[stubbs]

Dallas at one point in the 50s asked the Commission if they could make new members and were turned down for some reason. Probably a big reason they died out so quick, but obviously they would’ve died out quickly anyway due to the small recruitment pool.

[B.]

Dallas at one point in the 50s asked the Commission if they could make new members and were turned down for some reason. Probably a big reason they died out so quick, but obviously they would’ve died out quickly anyway due to the small recruitment pool.

Civello ended up making a number of guys in the 1960s. No idea what the politics were.

Other examples of mid-to-late 1960s inductions:

- Stephen Trifiro in SF, ~1965
- Dominick Rugnetta in Philadelphia, 1965
- Joseph Todaro in Buffalo, 1968

Probably others.

Trifiro and Rugnetta were the only candidates at their respective ceremonies and Todaro was the only one reported to have been made, too.

[cavita]

Dallas at one point in the 50s asked the Commission if they could make new members and were turned down for some reason. Probably a big reason they died out so quick, but obviously they would’ve died out quickly anyway due to the small recruitment pool.

Civello ended up making a number of guys in the 1960s. No idea what the politics were.

Other examples of mid-to-late 1960s inductions:

- Stephen Trifiro in SF, ~1965
- Dominick Rugnetta in Philadelphia, 1965
- Joseph Todaro in Buffalo, 1968

Probably others.

Trifiro and Rugnetta were the only candidates at their respective ceremonies and Todaro was the only one reported to have been made, too.

From January to May 1965 Rockford LCN made four guys.

[B.]

Dallas at one point in the 50s asked the Commission if they could make new members and were turned down for some reason. Probably a big reason they died out so quick, but obviously they would’ve died out quickly anyway due to the small recruitment pool.

Civello ended up making a number of guys in the 1960s. No idea what the politics were.

Other examples of mid-to-late 1960s inductions:

- Stephen Trifiro in SF, ~1965
- Dominick Rugnetta in Philadelphia, 1965
- Joseph Todaro in Buffalo, 1968

Probably others.

Trifiro and Rugnetta were the only candidates at their respective ceremonies and Todaro was the only one reported to have been made, too.

From January to May 1965 Rockford LCN made four guys.

Seems like the Commission may have approved select non-NYC inductions beginning in January 1965. When they opened their own books in the 1970s it was also in January, so maybe they planned these things to coincide with the new year.

Rugnetta's induction was mid-January 1965. Just checked, and Trifiro was made in December 1965.

In 1963 Nick Bianco (who hadn't yet transferred to the Colombos) was recorded talking to Ray Patriarca and requested that Patriarca induct associates from the Gallo faction into the NE family, but Patriarca said the books were still closed. Bianco himself had been inducted in the early 1960s. Ray DeCarlo was also recorded talking about how the Philly family had violated the Commission ruling on inductions by inducting members in 1962, though they were given a pass.

On the Magaddino tapes, a discussion with Bonanno members indicates that Joe Notaro traveled to Canada in the early 1960s and inducted Bonanno members in Canada without Commission approval. At the time, the Montreal members were likely still part of Notaro's decina. It appears these members were grandfathered into the organization but from later info the post-Bonanno leadership may not have been fully aware of them. This was a different issue entirely, though, as they were members of an NYC family and the books were closed in 1957.

[cavita]

I also forgot....they made two members in May 1959 as well.

[Angelo Santino]

Another thing that may have played a part in this is the fact that NY and NJ were close in proximity with members rubbing elbows, the same to a certain extent with Phila. and NE but not as much. Outside of that, admissions seemed to still go on around the country. In "The Last Mafioso" when the topic came up, Fratianno said something like: "New York? They haven't made any body in years." Which implies the decision was more local than national.

[B.]

I also forgot....they made two members in May 1959 as well.

Philly reportedly held an induction in 1959 as well (Peter Maggio). DeCarlo indicated it was only the ones around or after 1962 that broke the rules.

Later in the 1960s, CI Rocco Scafidi reported that Angelo Bruno had reached out to Giuseppe Traina of the Gambino family (Commission liaison for Philly) to approve inductions, which he did.

Seems 1962-1964 were the only years the books were officially closed outside NYC/NJ.

[Villain]

Jimmy Cordovano from Chicago was made in 62 or 63, probably by Giancana and was placed in the Chinatown or 26th St crew under Skids Caruso who in turn was probably his sponsor. Some of the white collar fellas didnt like that because Cordovano was a known dope pusher