Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[motorfab]

whats the best book on the canada mafia? the 6th family book? I have never been interested before until now. whats going on currently is really fascinating. bodies getting dropped all the time it seems. wild.

-The Sixth Family is excellent but stops with the arrest of Vito and the Colosseum Project circa 2004-2006
-Bloodlines by Antonio Nicaso & Lee Lamothe on the Cuntrera-Caruana clan is also very good
-Mafia Inc by André Cédilot and André Noël is also very good (I haven't read it yet). The first edition ends in 2010 but I believe it has been re-edited with updated stuffs

[Angelo Santino]

whats the best book on the canada mafia? the 6th family book? I have never been interested before until now. whats going on currently is really fascinating. bodies getting dropped all the time it seems. wild.

-The Sixth Family is excellent but stops with the arrest of Vito and the Colosseum Project circa 2004-2006
-Bloodlines by Antonio Nicaso & Lee Lamothe on the Cuntrera-Caruana clan is also very good
-Mafia Inc by André Cédilot and André Noël is also very good (I haven't read it yet). The first edition ends in 2010 but I believe it has been re-edited with updated stuffs

6th Fam was a great book with info but be cautious with the narration. A lack of informants lead to the authors recreating the narrative externally... and well fuck, everything the Rizzutos did was a well thought out Machiavellian plan of intrigue. Imagine doing a book about Gotti and the crimes I go into are accurate- McBratney, Castellano etc etc, except that I imply Gotti had his whole powerplay mapped out since 1969. That's the way 6F was written and that's why everyone was hyping up the Rizzutos and less than 2 years later they got demolished with the war.

[motorfab]

Yes the book has its faults, but it remains a good basis. I think that the authors exaggerate a little the power of the clan, but after it is up to us to make the share of the things. I haven't read the Peter Edwards books but he seems to be in a little more dubious theories compared to the murder of Sciascia or LoPresti (not to mention the fact that he claims that Vito would not have died as a result of his cancer). Anyway, to choose I stay on the books I mentioned above

[Angelo Santino]

Yes the book has its faults, but it remains a good basis. I think that the authors exaggerate a little the power of the clan, but after it is up to us to make the share of the things. I haven't read the Peter Edwards books but he seems to be in a little more dubious theories compared to the murder of Sciascia or LoPresti (not to mention the fact that he claims that Vito would not have died as a result of his cancer). Anyway, to choose I stay on the books I mentioned above

But like I said, it's a great book! They had no informants and had to forensically recreate the narrative (one never covered previously) and had to put a series of events together and explain them. What they accomplished would have taken me ten years. So I really hope I didn't sound dismissive of the book. And given that the Rizzutos had a great run and seemed at the height of their power, the authors reflected that. Without adding some personal narrative about what these guys were maybe thinking, it would be a very dry read of actions and events. I don't think LoMothe and Humphreys tried to push it beyond what it appeared to be.

There's Two The Last Don's books about Massino, one by a DeStefano and the other that's one not, I like the one that's not. However, in one passage it went into how Massino liked to spend time cooking while plotting his visions for the crime family. Unless he directly came out and admitted either to Sal to the FBI something along the lines of "I plotted my rise from the safety of my kitchen" that's a speculative assertion unless the author has mind-reading abilities. Not a big deal, but it further provides an image to a man that we don't even know. Nor do the authors who claimed that's what he was thinking about while cooking.

As TLDs related to the 6F book, the takeaway had people questioning whether Montreal "surpassed" New York, even speculating that perhaps "the next boss" could potentially come from Canada "if" Montreal "decided" to remain with the Bonannos. The authors cannot be held accountable for the various interpretations that people took from it. However that is the takeaway drawn from the creative narrative which was proven to be inaccurate in the coming years. They had the Rizzutos so hyped up and powerful, that if someone said the stars were aligning against them it wouldn't matter because Nick Rizzuto's home windows likely had bulletproof glass, Nick Jr's car is probably souped up batmobile that their 3000 members in and around the world were still bringing in enormous profits. That would have been the consensus had Sal arrived in Canada and voice his intentions rather than us finding out years later.

[Fughedaboutit]

whats the best book on the canada mafia? the 6th family book? I have never been interested before until now. whats going on currently is really fascinating. bodies getting dropped all the time it seems. wild.

-The Sixth Family is excellent but stops with the arrest of Vito and the Colosseum Project circa 2004-2006
-Bloodlines by Antonio Nicaso & Lee Lamothe on the Cuntrera-Caruana clan is also very good
-Mafia Inc by André Cédilot and André Noël is also very good (I haven't read it yet). The first edition ends in 2010 but I believe it has been re-edited with updated stuffs

I'm waiting for the book about Vito's revenge tour/his death and the conflicts after that as well. That will be a good one!

[Fughedaboutit]

thanks for the advice. but for the record I dont care if there is mafia in buffalo or not. makes no difference to me. its just weird seeing you stoop to some of the name calling like you have. never really seen you like that.

whether there is a legit family or not I do not know. but something is going on and its interesting.

I consider myself a pretty patient guy but even I have my limits.

You're pushing those limits yourself. Nobody has asked you too. It seems like you are taking this way too serious. It's just fun and games talking about our favorite subject. Most recent evidence suggest/confirms there is still a leftover Buffalo mob. If in time it turns out that wasn't much the case then it wasn't much the case and most if not everyone moves on without looking back.

Right now I'm a 'little concerned' about this situation.

He has been doing the same since Real Deal, in to ruin any threads that are outside of the main 5 families instead of just keeping his beak out and letting people discuss.

You're re right about the way too serious part as well. Guy is probably on pills for high blood pressure due to this thread.

Dr. - "What has you so upset this time?"
WG - They are discussing Buffalo activity now! Can you believe it! Up the dosage!

[Lupara]

thanks for the advice. but for the record I dont care if there is mafia in buffalo or not. makes no difference to me. its just weird seeing you stoop to some of the name calling like you have. never really seen you like that.

whether there is a legit family or not I do not know. but something is going on and its interesting.

I consider myself a pretty patient guy but even I have my limits.

You're pushing those limits yourself. Nobody has asked you too. It seems like you are taking this way too serious. It's just fun and games talking about our favorite subject. Most recent evidence suggest/confirms there is still a leftover Buffalo mob. If in time it turns out that wasn't much the case then it wasn't much the case and most if not everyone moves on without looking back.

Right now I'm a 'little concerned' about this situation.

He has been doing the same since Real Deal, in to ruin any threads that are outside of the main 5 families instead of just keeping his beak out and letting people discuss.

You're re right about the way too serious part as well. Guy is probably on pills for high blood pressure due to this thread.

Dr. - "What has you so upset this time?"
WG - They are discussing Buffalo activity now! Can you believe it! Up the dosage!

[emoji2]

[cavita]

thanks for the advice. but for the record I dont care if there is mafia in buffalo or not. makes no difference to me. its just weird seeing you stoop to some of the name calling like you have. never really seen you like that.

whether there is a legit family or not I do not know. but something is going on and its interesting.

I consider myself a pretty patient guy but even I have my limits.

You're pushing those limits yourself. Nobody has asked you too. It seems like you are taking this way too serious. It's just fun and games talking about our favorite subject. Most recent evidence suggest/confirms there is still a leftover Buffalo mob. If in time it turns out that wasn't much the case then it wasn't much the case and most if not everyone moves on without looking back.

Right now I'm a 'little concerned' about this situation.

He has been doing the same since Real Deal, in to ruin any threads that are outside of the main 5 families instead of just keeping his beak out and letting people discuss.

You're re right about the way too serious part as well. Guy is probably on pills for high blood pressure due to this thread.

Dr. - "What has you so upset this time?"
WG - They are discussing Buffalo activity now! Can you believe it! Up the dosage!

[Pogo The Clown]

And right on cue the cowardly Fughedaboutit jumps in to stir the pot. Spineless turd that he is he only does so when he has a crowd to hind in.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

If in time it turns out that wasn't much the case then it wasn't much the case and most if not everyone moves on without looking back.

I imagine this is the planned exit strategy for several in this thread regarding the Buffalo issue.

Right now I'm a 'little concerned' about this situation.

Not sure this rises to the level of a "situation."

(Inapplicable meme)

You see me (or Pogo) saying anything about discussions related to New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia or Chicago? This idea of me being against any discussions of viability outside the 5 NY families has never been true. It's a strawman lie that certain people set up. And it's not like I pulled some arbitrary list of viable families out of my ass.

And right on cue the cowardly Fughedaboutit jumps in to stir the pot. Spineless turd that he is he only does so when he has a crowd to hind in.


Pogo

You almost have to feel sorry for him. The guy is probably scared of his own shadow.

[Lupara]

Not sure this rises to the level of a "situation."

It's a viable situation imo. You not even recognising this makes me more than a little concerned.

[Cheech]

whats the best book on the canada mafia? the 6th family book? I have never been interested before until now. whats going on currently is really fascinating. bodies getting dropped all the time it seems. wild.

-The Sixth Family is excellent but stops with the arrest of Vito and the Colosseum Project circa 2004-2006
-Bloodlines by Antonio Nicaso & Lee Lamothe on the Cuntrera-Caruana clan is also very good
-Mafia Inc by André Cédilot and André Noël is also very good (I haven't read it yet). The first edition ends in 2010 but I believe it has been re-edited with updated stuffs

thanks motorfab. I appreciate you answering me.

[Moscone65]

@nickelcity or anyone else actually knowledgeable about buffalo, do you know anything about a jerry caci? I saw him yesterday at casino Niagara, want to know if he’s related to jimmy and if he’s connected or just a civilian

[johnny_scootch]

whats the best book on the canada mafia? the 6th family book? I have never been interested before until now. whats going on currently is really fascinating. bodies getting dropped all the time it seems. wild.

I have 3 books on the subject 2 of which have been mentioned (The Sixth Family & Mafia Inc) both are excellent but my favorite was Business or Blood By Nicaso & Edwards. If you bought all 3 and read them in order (6th, Inc, BorB) you wouldn't have wasted a penny.

[NickleCity]

@nickelcity or anyone else actually knowledgeable about buffalo, do you know anything about a jerry caci? I saw him yesterday at casino Niagara, want to know if he’s related to jimmy and if he’s connected or just a civilian

Don’t know about Jerry Caci, Jr, there was a Jerri C. Caci who was indicted in a mob run telemarketing case in 1995.

Also indicted Thursday on felony telemarketing fraud charges were Jerry C. Caci, 68, of Buffalo; Joseph Caci, 48, of Palm Springs; Angelo Graziano, 64, of West Palm Beach, Fla.; Phillip "Fat Philly" DioGuardi, 47, of Palm Springs; Robert Veltri, 43, of Las Vegas; Robert F. Thomas, 24, of Arcadia, Calif.; Peter F. Argiro, 64, of Desert Hot Springs, Calif.; Wilton Caver, 30, of Atlanta; Katherine Borane, also known as "Kathy Cash," 37, of Las Vegas; Todd Dahn, 23, of Chicago; and Peter Link, 37, of Chattanooga, Tenn.

Jerry Caci, Dahn and Caver formerly worked with Promotions Unlimited in Buffalo, law enforcement officials said.

Here is the link: https://buffalonews.com/1995/04/28/lott ... ting-case/

Here is Jerry C. Caci’s obituary from Dec. 2003: https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/ ... id=1718099