Mob Talk Sitdown 37

[Targenmantarian]

Devens has a camp that is very minimal security.

The medical center has hospital aspects to it. But it's actually a mix of all security levels. So it's really not that sweet at all if you aren't being cared for as an elderly prisoner.

If you are a young guy in his first bid and were expecting a camp based on your points then being locked up with hundreds of sex offenders, mentally ill people, rats, and max prisoners who have AIDS or Hep C is a fucking nightmare.

Not as bad as some places. But it's prison prison. Razor wire perimeter and locked units. Worst of both worlds. Dorm living but no freedom, quiet, and very little outside time compared to a camp where you just sit on a picnic table next to the parking lot and free people walk by all day in their way to work or errands.

[gohnjotti]

IIRC Persico and Madoff were at Butner together

Butner, that’s it.

Shit, I have no idea why I didn’t just google it.

[Mikeymike12]

What’s going on with Mob Talk Sitdown? Are they done doing it ? Is it just going to just end like Mob scene ?

[JohnnyS]

What’s going on with Mob Talk Sitdown? Are they done doing it ? Is it just going to just end like Mob scene ?

Probably taking a break because of the pandemic.

[PHL_Mob]

No I think it’s over which is why he’s doing his podcast Philly Prime. Since he left Fox channel he had to pay for the cameraman, editing and production out of pocket and I think it became too expensive or not lucrative enough for he and George. The podcasts are just as good though. There’s also nothing to report on these days anyways. My guess is he and GA release one-off videos around significant cases or developments instead of just repeating old stories and whatever else...

[JCB1977]

Gravano, Massino, Mark Rossetti, Mike Franzese, Angelo Lonardo and Ray Ferritto are some high profile turncoats who were never touched and in Ferritto's case, he went back to operating the largest book in Erie, PA after cooperating in the Danny Green murder case.

[JohnnyS]

No I think it’s over which is why he’s doing his podcast Philly Prime. Since he left Fox channel he had to pay for the cameraman, editing and production out of pocket and I think it became too expensive or not lucrative enough for he and George. The podcasts are just as good though. There’s also nothing to report on these days anyways. My guess is he and GA release one-off videos around significant cases or developments instead of just repeating old stories and whatever else...

Yeah I've just noticed they've deleted most of their videos. I need to remember to check out the podcasts.

[Amershire_Ed]

Anastasia even said on the first or second episode of Philly Prime that if there wasn’t a major bust involving Philly over the next year to 18 months, he’s not sure if they are even worth covering anymore. They both legit seem surprised something major hasn’t come down. If you watch their older Mobtalk Sitdown Epiosdes they seemed certain that something big was coming down the pike. It’s just never happened. Schratweiser even said some of the top guys are kinder acting like they are out of the woods from a legal standpoint.

[Tonyd621]

So, whats the consenus or GAs... The philly mob is mostly defunct, trying to go legit and dying out, active,but lack of evidence and resources not enough to make any cases?

[Wiseguy]

So, whats the consenus or GAs... The philly mob is mostly defunct, trying to go legit and dying out, active,but lack of evidence and resources not enough to make any cases?

If general trends are any guide, and they usually are, people shouldn't be surprised if there is relatively little news regarding the DeCavalcantes, New England, Philadelphia, and Chicago in the coming years. Those families are on the way out.

[Tonyd621]

So, whats the consenus or GAs... The philly mob is mostly defunct, trying to go legit and dying out, active,but lack of evidence and resources not enough to make any cases?

If general trends are any guide, and they usually are, people shouldn't be surprised if there is relatively little news regarding the DeCavalcantes, New England, Philadelphia, and Chicago in the coming years. Those families are on the way out.

wt

So, what do they do for money? You know mortgage, kids, college, day to day expenses etc? You cant say they are all well off. I mean no one really has any accurate details, but Im talking guys like Borgesi, or Canalicho, Mazzone, Lancelotti, Lucibello etc and some other lesser-known soldiers.Some spent significant time in prison and were not able to earn like they would ordinarly be able too. Are they on there own having to try and find legitimate jobs or they pushing the top heavy guys with the money, saying hey, I gotta eat too, lets keep this thing of ours going? I meean there has to be a divide where some guys want in and some want out

[Wiseguy]

wt

So, what do they do for money? You know mortgage, kids, college, day to day expenses etc? You cant say they are all well off. I mean no one really has any accurate details, but Im talking guys like Borgesi, or Canalicho, Mazzone, Lancelotti, Lucibello etc and some other lesser-known soldiers.Some spent significant time in prison and were not able to earn like they would ordinarly be able too. Are they on there own having to try and find legitimate jobs or they pushing the top heavy guys with the money, saying hey, I gotta eat too, lets keep this thing of ours going? I meean there has to be a divide where some guys want in and some want out

I expect to see what we saw in Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, etc. The numbers continue to dwindle. The old guys effectively go inactive. Others are basically legitimate. Others are still active on some level but it's increasingly on a more scattered, individual level. You no longer see activity from a cohesive, formally structured family. And, as a result, you no longer see the kind of indictments we've seen in the past. Even now, the LCN isn't really considered a priority by law enforcement outside of the NY families.

[dack2001]

Historically, LCN was not a bunch of guys shaking down anyone who had action going on. That was a late 20th century turn of events. Those days are done. You are seeing things go back to the "fixed bid" club. That was and is the power of the organization. Also, means much less to report on for George A and Shratweiser and much less attention from law enforcement.

[Pogo The Clown]

I expect to see what we saw in Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, etc. The numbers continue to dwindle. The old guys effectively go inactive. Others are basically legitimate. Others are still active on some level but it's increasingly on a more scattered, individual level. You no longer see activity from a cohesive, formally structured family. And, as a result, you no longer see the kind of indictments we've seen in the past. Even now, the LCN isn't really considered a priority by law enforcement outside of the NY families.

And imagine the heated arguements when it comes time to debate the viability of the above families.

Historically, LCN was not a bunch of guys shaking down anyone who had action going on. That was a late 20th century turn of events. Those days are done. You are seeing things go back to the "fixed bid" club. That was and is the power of the organization. Also, means much less to report on for George A and Shratweiser and much less attention from law enforcement.

I don't know about that. In the case of Philly they had a street in their early days that was discontinued in the 1940s. Scsrfo of course brought it back.


Pogo

[Wiseguy]

Historically, LCN was not a bunch of guys shaking down anyone who had action going on. That was a late 20th century turn of events. Those days are done. You are seeing things go back to the "fixed bid" club. That was and is the power of the organization. Also, means much less to report on for George A and Shratweiser and much less attention from law enforcement.

You'll have to expound on that because I'm not sure what you're talking about.