Informants accused by Luciano

[B.]

We were talking about this in another thread, but I thought it was worth mentioning separately.

The following Lucchese mafia figures were accused by Lucky Luciano of being FBN informants:

- Eugenio Giannini
- Dominick Petrilli
- Settimo Accardi

All three accusations were reported by Joe Valachi, who identified Luciano as the source. Giannini and Petrilli were murdered based on these accusations in the early 1950s, while Valachi heard the rumors about Accardi during his incarceration in the early 1960s.

Other points:

- Joe Valachi is suspected of providing info to the FBN on narcotics trafficking prior to his full-blown cooperation with the FBI. One of the reasons for Valachi's paranoia in prison was the belief that he had been accused of informing. If it's true that Valachi was an FBN informer, it stands to reason that the Genovese leadership had learned of this given their ongoing history of identifying alleged FBN informants.

- Valachi reported that Luciano sent word to the US not to work with Italian/Sicilian mafia figures because he felt they were prone to cooperation. Given his history of accusing other mafia figures, Luciano may have had specific information on figures operating in Italy.

- If Luciano's information was accurate, he must have had a source within the FBN who was providing him information. It also raises the question of what he was offering in return for this information.

- Luciano also had a history of cooperation. During his 1923 heroin arrest, he allegedly revealed to LE where a larger supply of heroin was stored in Lower Manhattan. He also famously cooperated with the US government during WWII, trading his waterfront influence for early release and deportation.

[bert]

Luciano's friends in America were the ones who offer to help the government during WW2. They promised to help protect the ports, how much they actually could is another thing. He may have had an FBN agent or a few of them on his payroll, but he was not a rat or secret informer if that's what you meant.

[JeremyTheJew]

As well as I don't think anyone got busted in the give up of the stash. Just the stash itself.

I think back then they used police to there advantage more ala Appalachian tip off

[SonnyBlackstein]

Two geniuses give their respectives.

[B.]

I meant for it to be a little bit provocative, but I'm not necessarily saying Luciano was a full-on informant, only that he had a history of using cooperation to his advantage. Directing LE to where heroin was stored and acknowledging his underworld influence on the waterfront are both examples of that. Both are arguably examples of coloring outside of the lines when it comes to mafia rules.

Whatever was going on between Luciano and the FBN appears to have involved coloring outside of the lines for both Luciano and his FBN contact(s) as well.

[Villain]

Wasnt Luciano labeled as snitch when he was just a teenager? Im not stirring up shit here because other "legendary" Mafia big shots did the same thing when they were young, such as Louis Campagna who in turn informed on his friends regarding a robbery which occurred in 1918 in Chicago, which also was probably the main reason for his transfer to Brooklyn NY at the time, and later returned to Chicago in 1928

[bert]

I meant for it to be a little bit provocative, but I'm not necessarily saying Luciano was a full-on informant, only that he had a history of using cooperation to his advantage. Directing LE to where heroin was stored and acknowledging his underworld influence on the waterfront are both examples of that. Both are arguably examples of coloring outside of the lines when it comes to mafia rules.

Whatever was going on between Luciano and the FBN appears to have involved coloring outside of the lines for both Luciano and his FBN contact(s) as well.

It could be seen as that.

[bert]

Wasnt Luciano labeled as snitch when he was just a teenager? Im not stirring up shit here because other "legendary" Mafia big shots did the same thing when they were young, such as Louis Campagna who in turn informed on his friends regarding a robbery which occurred in 1918 in Chicago, which also was probably the main reason for his transfer to Brooklyn NY at the time, and later returned to Chicago in 1928

Not as a teen, it stemmed from him giving up his own stash, as was mentioned above. I don't know of Capagna's case, but I can't understand Brooklyn taking in a known rat from another city, I have to look him up.

[bert]

Two geniuses give their respectives.

Another smart ass comment from you made for no good reason.

[JeremyTheJew]

Two geniuses give their respectives.

... Because your a real winner right?
Glad u got something to contribute

[JeremyTheJew]

Two geniuses give their respectives.

Another smart ass comment from you made for no good reason.

Sonny is just one of them way out dudes that can't really contribute anything so he has to make some dumb ass comments that have generally no relevance.

He's one them guys that just wants to point out flaws all day. But I hear that's what happens when ur 40 still working at McDonald's and living with Mama.

[Antiliar]

The stash that Luciano gave up reportedly belonged to Steve Armone.

[Villain]

The stash that Luciano gave up reportedly belonged to Steve Armone.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[bert]

The stash that Luciano gave up reportedly belonged to Steve Armone.

I've seen that rumor on the internet, it may have been Armone's since they were close in age and grew up together, and got into the Maifa around the same time. He did not give up Armone or anyone else. The one flaw with that story is they would have not let him off after that (The FBN) unless they kept it to see themselves.

[Antiliar]

The stash that Luciano gave up reportedly belonged to Steve Armone.

I've seen that rumor on the internet, it may have been Armone's since they were close in age and grew up together, and got into the Maifa around the same time. He did not give up Armone or anyone else. The one flaw with that story is they would have not let him off after that (The FBN) unless they kept it to see themselves.

My source for this info is the FBN.