Open murder cases on John Carneglia

[NYNighthawk]

Looking at these open homicides could John Carneglia be busted for them at this late date?


People Murdered by John Carneglia Edit

Order: No.Name/Rank/Affiliation/When/Involvement/Reason

1.John Favara/none/independent/March 18th 1980/Personal/ Carneglia was one of several members of the Bergin crew who kidnapped and murdered John Favara because he had accidently run over and killed Gotti's youngest son Frank.

2.Paul Castellano/Boss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Castellano was killed because he was unpopular and because Gotti wanted to become boss.

3.Thomas Bilotti/Underboss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Bilotti was killed because he was unpopular and because he was Castellano's Bodyguard.

4.Liborio Milito/Soldier/Gambino Crime Family/March 8th 1988/Personal/ Carneglia was the person that shot Milito in the head. Milito was killed because he was disrespectful against Gravano for making Louis Vallario Capo of his old crew.

[Bklyn21]

I would think so , There's no federal statute of limitations on Murder or Murder conspiracy

[Bklyn21]

Since there's really no one left to be a solid witness to the murders I doubt they'd ever bring murder charges against him unless they have a rock solid case and rock solid witnesses to the crimes , Maybe Sammy Bull ? But who knows if he would even testify or they would call him to testify and give a statement since he's in no major trouble and even then I doubt it

[Rocco]

Looking at these open homicides could John Carneglia be busted for them at this late date?


People Murdered by John Carneglia Edit

Order: No.Name/Rank/Affiliation/When/Involvement/Reason

1.John Favara/none/independent/March 18th 1980/Personal/ Carneglia was one of several members of the Bergin crew who kidnapped and murdered John Favara because he had accidently run over and killed Gotti's youngest son Frank.

2.Paul Castellano/Boss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Castellano was killed because he was unpopular and because Gotti wanted to become boss.

3.Thomas Bilotti/Underboss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Bilotti was killed because he was unpopular and because he was Castellano's Bodyguard.

4.Liborio Milito/Soldier/Gambino Crime Family/March 8th 1988/Personal/ Carneglia was the person that shot Milito in the head. Milito was killed because he was disrespectful against Gravano for making Louis Vallario Capo of his old crew.

When Sammy flipped he named every shooter and back up guy in the hit. Some of these guys were still walking the streets for yrs after Gotti was convicted. For some reason the Feds needed more info then just Sammys testimony that they were the shooters etc If they went on just his testimony they could have indicted everyone of them that were on the seen and rolled it into the Gottis trail. Even guys that were already locked up like Carneglia by 1991.

[NYNighthawk]

So basically he is getting a pass on these hits?

[slimshady_007]

Looking at these open homicides could John Carneglia be busted for them at this late date?


People Murdered by John Carneglia Edit

Order: No.Name/Rank/Affiliation/When/Involvement/Reason

1.John Favara/none/independent/March 18th 1980/Personal/ Carneglia was one of several members of the Bergin crew who kidnapped and murdered John Favara because he had accidently run over and killed Gotti's youngest son Frank.

2.Paul Castellano/Boss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Castellano was killed because he was unpopular and because Gotti wanted to become boss.

3.Thomas Bilotti/Underboss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Bilotti was killed because he was unpopular and because he was Castellano's Bodyguard.

4.Liborio Milito/Soldier/Gambino Crime Family/March 8th 1988/Personal/ Carneglia was the person that shot Milito in the head. Milito was killed because he was disrespectful against Gravano for making Louis Vallario Capo of his old crew.

When Sammy flipped he named every shooter and back up guy in the hit. Some of these guys were still walking the streets for yrs after Gotti was convicted. For some reason the Feds needed more info then just Sammys testimony that they were the shooters etc If they went on just his testimony they could have indicted everyone of them that were on the seen and rolled it into the Gottis trail. Even guys that were already locked up like Carneglia by 1991.

It could be since the eyewitnesses to the murders (Castallano and Billoti) gave conflicting statements.

[Super]

Think he probably done more than that a guy that goes under the radar not overly spoken about heard he was a huge earner in his own right had a lot of associates.

[NYNighthawk]

If they put a federal grand jury together - give immunity to Gene , Sammy and Vallario - could they ruffle the feathers a little? Possible indictment? Force John to take a plea?

[Bruno187]

If they put a federal grand jury together - give immunity to Gene , Sammy and Vallario - could they ruffle the feathers a little? Possible indictment? Force John to take a plea?

Those guys would say nothing and wind up taking a contempt charge, maybe do some time. In the end, they probably wouldn't have enough to indict, never mind convict.
Artuso was another guy who was never charged. I wonder if his gun jamming and his not firing was a cause of him never being charged, although they would certainly have enough for conspiracy.
Who knows.

[NYNighthawk]

If they put a federal grand jury together - give immunity to Gene , Sammy and Vallario - could they ruffle the feathers a little? Possible indictment? Force John to take a plea?

Those guys would say nothing and wind up taking a contempt charge, maybe do some time. In the end, they probably wouldn't have enough to indict, never mind convict.
Artuso was another guy who was never charged. I wonder if his gun jamming and his not firing was a cause of him never being charged, although they would certainly have enough for conspiracy.
Who knows.

+1
Your'e right about Vinny Artuso and his gun jamming during the Castellano hit. Wasn't Joe watts also on that hit? I think some rookie federal prosecutor could make his or her bones by putting together a GJ and go after some of these unindicted co-conspirators.

[JohnnySalami]

If they put a federal grand jury together - give immunity to Gene , Sammy and Vallario - could they ruffle the feathers a little? Possible indictment? Force John to take a plea?

Those guys would say nothing and wind up taking a contempt charge, maybe do some time. In the end, they probably wouldn't have enough to indict, never mind convict.
Artuso was another guy who was never charged. I wonder if his gun jamming and his not firing was a cause of him never being charged, although they would certainly have enough for conspiracy.
Who knows.

+1
Your'e right about Vinny Artuso and his gun jamming during the Castellano hit. Wasn't Joe watts also on that hit? I think some rookie federal prosecutor could make his or her bones by putting together a GJ and go after some of these unindicted co-conspirators.

It can go both ways either make their bones or end their career opening old sock draws as their first major case. They’d probably wait for a case with concrete evidence that’s 90%+ theyll win but thats my 2 cents

[bronx]

there will never be a case.. never... '

[Bruno187]

Yes, you're right about Watts. He's inside as we speak and not supposed to get out until 2022.
That might be part of the reason he's never been charged in that hit...he's been in and out quite a bit over the past 30 years.
His gun, unlike Artuso's didn't jam.

[bronx]

watts was backup, not one of the four shooters

[SonnyBlackstein]

Looking at these open homicides could John Carneglia be busted for them at this late date?


People Murdered by John Carneglia Edit

Order: No.Name/Rank/Affiliation/When/Involvement/Reason

1.John Favara/none/independent/March 18th 1980/Personal/ Carneglia was one of several members of the Bergin crew who kidnapped and murdered John Favara because he had accidently run over and killed Gotti's youngest son Frank.

2.Paul Castellano/Boss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Castellano was killed because he was unpopular and because Gotti wanted to become boss.

3.Thomas Bilotti/Underboss/Gambino Crime Family/December 16th 1985/Personal/ Carneglia was a hitman, Bilotti was killed because he was unpopular and because he was Castellano's Bodyguard.

4.Liborio Milito/Soldier/Gambino Crime Family/March 8th 1988/Personal/ Carneglia was the person that shot Milito in the head. Milito was killed because he was disrespectful against Gravano for making Louis Vallario Capo of his old crew.

When Sammy flipped he named every shooter and back up guy in the hit. Some of these guys were still walking the streets for yrs after Gotti was convicted. For some reason the Feds needed more info then just Sammys testimony that they were the shooters etc If they went on just his testimony they could have indicted everyone of them that were on the seen and rolled it into the Gottis trail. Even guys that were already locked up like Carneglia by 1991.

It could be since the eyewitnesses to the murders (Castallano and Billoti) gave conflicting statements.

Gold.
You did make me chuckle.