Gambino bust . Campos , martino

[TommyGambino]

I find the info on Ernie as UB, less than credible.

Onofrio (Rooster) had to get upped to Capo before he even knew who the admin was (recorded saying as such), and now a GAMBINO SOLDIER, talking to AN ASSOCIATE, knows the Westside Admin?

I call bullshit.

And I love it how Pogo changes the charts to reflect such given the circumstances but Capeci citing Mannino as rounding out the admin after citing the other two positions won’t amend him as UB.

Anyway, bullshit on a Gambino soldier knowing the Westside admin.

My two cents.

So we don't believe a Gambino soldier but we'd believe capeci if he said it, interesting

[CabriniGreen]

Actually it says telephones and websites so...... I ask again... Is that 750 number inflated bullshit?

I'm inclined to believe yes, at the moment.... I cant understand why these guys are going to such lengths for a house.... Those companies did a combined 10 billion in contracts, one of the companies was doing 50 mil a year..... It reminds me of Sopranos a little.... like dont fuck up the 250 million dollar job to steal the optic cable.... fuck the short term lick over the long term hustle... Plus, if it's just a huge fraud, why the fuck are thier NAMES on the companies? It should be a Daidy Chain, no? But that's just my take on it...

The Zottolas wernt even made, they had 40 million in property from gambling machines......


Is it the government forfeiture?

[TommyGambino]

Actually it says telephones and websites so...... I ask again... Is that 750 number inflated bullshit?

I'm inclined to believe yes, at the moment.... I cant understand why these guys are going to such lengths for a house.... Those companies did a combined 10 billion in contracts, one of the companies was doing 50 mil a year..... It reminds me of Sopranos a little.... like dont fuck up the 250 million dollar job to steal the optic cable.... fuck the short term lick over the long term hustle... Plus, if it's just a huge fraud, why the fuck are thier NAMES on the companies? It should be a Daidy Chain, no? But that's just my take on it...

The Zottolas wernt even made, they had 40 million in property from gambling machines......


Is it the government forfeiture?

I don't even think its inflated bs tbh, gotti jr still living off that

[CabriniGreen]

You know what Gotti jr. eats off? Today?

[SonnyBlackstein]

I find the info on Ernie as UB, less than credible.

Onofrio (Rooster) had to get upped to Capo before he even knew who the admin was (recorded saying as such), and now a GAMBINO SOLDIER, talking to AN ASSOCIATE, knows the Westside Admin?

I call bullshit.

And I love it how Pogo changes the charts to reflect such given the circumstances but Capeci citing Mannino as rounding out the admin after citing the other two positions won’t amend him as UB.

Anyway, bullshit on a Gambino soldier knowing the Westside admin.

My two cents.

So we don't believe a Gambino soldier but we'd believe capeci if he said it, interesting

Apples and Oranges

[moneyman]

I find the info on Ernie as UB, less than credible.

Onofrio (Rooster) had to get upped to Capo before he even knew who the admin was (recorded saying as such), and now a GAMBINO SOLDIER, talking to AN ASSOCIATE, knows the Westside Admin?

I call bullshit.

And I love it how Pogo changes the charts to reflect such given the circumstances but Capeci citing Mannino as rounding out the admin after citing the other two positions won’t amend him as UB.

Anyway, bullshit on a Gambino soldier knowing the Westside admin.

My two cents.

So we don't believe a Gambino soldier but we'd believe capeci if he said it, interesting

Apples and Oranges

What are you referring to? Is this mentioned in one of the indictments?

[Bklyn21]

Actually it says telephones and websites so...... I ask again... Is that 750 number inflated bullshit?

I'm inclined to believe yes, at the moment.... I cant understand why these guys are going to such lengths for a house.... Those companies did a combined 10 billion in contracts, one of the companies was doing 50 mil a year..... It reminds me of Sopranos a little.... like dont fuck up the 250 million dollar job to steal the optic cable.... fuck the short term lick over the long term hustle... Plus, if it's just a huge fraud, why the fuck are thier NAMES on the companies? It should be a Daidy Chain, no? But that's just my take on it...

The Zottolas wernt even made, they had 40 million in property from gambling machines......


Is it the government forfeiture?

I would think it's more to be true, The Number 750.mil , At the time they purchased a Bank and a midsize telecommunications Provider in the Midwest and were also involved with big time publishers and businesses and businessmen in London and elsewhere . Tore Locascio who was the Capo at the time cleared a literal SHITLOAD off Martino and I think it's probably why he retired . He made so much off that whole Scam to be set for the rest of his life and said Wtf I don't need this anymore

[Wiseguy]

Funny thing.... the indictment says they stole 80, not 780 million.....

What are you talking about?

It's entirely possible that I read this fucked up.... you tell me.....


. Defendants’ Membership in or Association with La Cosa Nostra
According to multiple witnesses and as alleged in the Barca, et al. indictment, the defendant Andrew Campos is a captain in the Gambino family and Vincent Fiore, Richard Martino, James Ciaccia and George Campos6 are all inducted members, or soldiers, of the Gambino family who report to Campos. In becoming inducted members, these defendants swore allegiance for life to the crime family above all else, even their own families. Kocaj is an associate of the Gambino family who reports to Campos and has ties to various Albanian organized crime figures.
As described in more detail below, Campos and Martino were charged in 2004 with, among other crimes, racketeering for various crimes they committed as part of their membership in the Gambino family, including committing a massive scheme to defraud users of adult entertainment websites and telephone services of over $80 million. See 03-CR-304 (CBA) (E.D.N.Y.). Ultimately, on February 14, 2005, Campos pleaded guilty to
one count of wire fraud conspiracy, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371, for which he was sentenced principally to 21 months’ imprisonment and ordered to pay $300,000 in forfeiture.
That same day, Martino pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail and wir

That excerpt above is from the detention memo, not the indictment, technically speaking.

The 2004 indictment involved two scams. The first was the phone cramming scam. It allegedly generated "between approximately $50,000 and $600,000 in gross revenue per day between 1997 and 2001 and ultimately "generated more than $420 million in gross revenues."

The second was the internet porn free tour scam. It was alleged this fraudulently billed the credit and debit cards of thousands of victims in the United States, Europe and Asia "at a recurring monthly rate of up to $90 each, for an approximate total amount of more than $230 million."

Those estimates amount to $650 million. I recall some articles reported more was tacked on later, raising it to $750 million. The indictment alleged that Martino funneled $40 million through a company called Creative to "persons above him in the Gambino family."

It was never really clear how concrete those estimates were or how the money was divied up in and outside the family itself. I'm not sure where the $80 million comes from - a revamped, more accurate figure perhaps? - but honestly it sounds more plausible than the astronomical figures originally cited in the Locascio indictment, and subsequently reported in the media.

[Pogo The Clown]

And I love it how Pogo changes the charts to reflect such given the circumstances but Capeci citing Mannino as rounding out the admin after citing the other two positions won’t amend him as UB.

I don't know how I got dragged into this but I'll go over it one more time. Muscarella was named as such in a document. Nothing so far names Mannino as such. If Caepci was sure he held such a rank he would have said so like he did for Paradiso and Cefalu.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

I find the info on Ernie as UB, less than credible.

Onofrio (Rooster) had to get upped to Capo before he even knew who the admin was (recorded saying as such), and now a GAMBINO SOLDIER, talking to AN ASSOCIATE, knows the Westside Admin?

I call bullshit.

And I love it how Pogo changes the charts to reflect such given the circumstances but Capeci citing Mannino as rounding out the admin after citing the other two positions won’t amend him as UB.

Anyway, bullshit on a Gambino soldier knowing the Westside admin.

My two cents.

So we don't believe a Gambino soldier but we'd believe capeci if he said it, interesting

Apples and Oranges

What are you referring to? Is this mentioned in one of the indictments?

The indictment states Fiore (Gambino button) talking to an associate and naming Ernest Muscarella as West side UB.

[SonnyBlackstein]

And I love it how Pogo changes the charts to reflect such given the circumstances but Capeci citing Mannino as rounding out the admin after citing the other two positions won’t amend him as UB.

I don't know how I got dragged into this but I'll go over it one more time. Muscarella was named as such in a document. Nothing so far names Mannino as such. If Caepci was sure he held such a rank he would have said so like he did for Paradiso and Cefalu.


Pogo

He’s ‘named’ by a conversation overheard by a Gambino button talking to an associate. Not stated so by the Feds. Loose evidence at best IMO.

It’s all good P. I just disagree with your call is all.

[JohnnyS]

Pure speculation but Campos was meeting with Genovese captain Pasquale Falcetti so what if Falcetti let 'Ernie' slip when he was talking about getting something okayed.

[Pogo The Clown]

Also from the wording it sounds like Fiore actually knows Muscarella.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

Pure speculation but Campos was meeting with Genovese captain Pasquale Falcetti so what if Falcetti let 'Ernie' slip when he was talking about getting something okayed.

Good thought process. Maybe.

I just don’t see how if Onofrio doesn’t know his own admin, how the hell would someone from another family?

I just think it’s as likely gossip or loose speculation. The Gambino was talking to a non made member for Pete’s sake.

[TommyGambino]

These guys aren't the cia ffs