Gambino bust . Campos , martino

[CabriniGreen]

They have links to the LKs too... interesting

Congrats Wiseguy, you made the connection before you even knew you made the connection!! lol

I've been saying this for years now , The families have been using Lk's , Crips, Bloods constantly ! Look how many cases there have been between different families and they're use of Gangs/Gangmembers . it goes on more often then is heard about in the news or any publication . I know it's Street talk and unsubstantiated but I've been hearing and watching this in the neighborhoods now for about a good 15 plus years . That's why I don't talk to any of these idiots I grew up with and Leave all that shit alone , Because They're a Joke ! Guys you don't hear about getting into beefs and having a title , Or some Status and they end up on the receiving end of a beating or get slapped around and do absolutely nothing because there's not enough of them . They go back and plot and scheme and run to these Gangs and next thing you know they're setting guys up . I've seen it and heard about it a million times , And People still get involved . The Mob might make money or whatever but it's definitely not the Mob of 20 , 30 years plus ago . They have nobody to carry out violence , You gotta see these guys they have around them today ! Your sitting there going WTF ???? 20 years ago we were abusing these kids nonstop they run with today and your just shaking your head like this is really a Fucken joke he's getting made ? He's with these guys ?? Like Holy christ Wowwwwwww

Compared to the overall amount of mob cases, those having anything to do with street gangs are very rare.

True , But there's a decent amount over the years and then you have the talk and supposed links as in Fiore saying he'll just get the Lk's to handle business for him concerning his son being hit and the Springfield Genovese link to the Regional head of the Lk's who used the MT.Carmel club as his base of operations and is Cecchetelli's nephew and reorganized the LKQN to represent a Mafia like Structure . I can't substantiate anything else because without hard proof , FBI Files, Publications it won't be believed just Good old fresh street talk . But there are many instances that aren't publicized

All the big Chicago gangs had hierachies and structure.... What's the LKs in NY look like? They still got ranks like Inca, and Corona?

[NYNighthawk]

Didn't the late Greg DePalma hire a LK or South American hitman to do a hit on Nicky LaSorsa back in 2000? I know Greg was acquitted of that but it shows the farming out of work by Cosa Nostra. Also the Bonanno who recently hired the Bloods to kill his father. So there's nothing knew here.

[Bklyn21]

They have links to the LKs too... interesting

Congrats Wiseguy, you made the connection before you even knew you made the connection!! lol

I've been saying this for years now , The families have been using Lk's , Crips, Bloods constantly ! Look how many cases there have been between different families and they're use of Gangs/Gangmembers . it goes on more often then is heard about in the news or any publication . I know it's Street talk and unsubstantiated but I've been hearing and watching this in the neighborhoods now for about a good 15 plus years . That's why I don't talk to any of these idiots I grew up with and Leave all that shit alone , Because They're a Joke ! Guys you don't hear about getting into beefs and having a title , Or some Status and they end up on the receiving end of a beating or get slapped around and do absolutely nothing because there's not enough of them . They go back and plot and scheme and run to these Gangs and next thing you know they're setting guys up . I've seen it and heard about it a million times , And People still get involved . The Mob might make money or whatever but it's definitely not the Mob of 20 , 30 years plus ago . They have nobody to carry out violence , You gotta see these guys they have around them today ! Your sitting there going WTF ???? 20 years ago we were abusing these kids nonstop they run with today and your just shaking your head like this is really a Fucken joke he's getting made ? He's with these guys ?? Like Holy christ Wowwwwwww

Compared to the overall amount of mob cases, those having anything to do with street gangs are very rare.

True , But there's a decent amount over the years and then you have the talk and supposed links as in Fiore saying he'll just get the Lk's to handle business for him concerning his son being hit and the Springfield Genovese link to the Regional head of the Lk's who used the MT.Carmel club as his base of operations and is Cecchetelli's nephew and reorganized the LKQN to represent a Mafia like Structure . I can't substantiate anything else because without hard proof , FBI Files, Publications it won't be believed just Good old fresh street talk . But there are many instances that aren't publicized

All the big Chicago gangs had hierachies and structure.... What's the LKs in NY look like? They still got ranks like Inca, and Corona?

Yea that's a whole other story with the Chicago gangs . They've been operating on a whole other level than anywhere else in the country highly structured with thousands of members . In NY you don't hear too much about the LK's like in the 90s and early 2000s , They took themselves out of public view and operate more in the shadows and on the low . In the Bronx you'll still see them having public meetings in the parks with 30 people plus . Also, On the Lower East side in Manhattan there's lots of them out in public with they're colors out etc. But in Queens and Brooklyn they operate more behind the scenes , You'll see there Graffitti here and there but not much public shit

[mafiastudent]

Here's something that might be relevant to LK that I came across today...from Mass.

https://www.masslive.com/news/2019/12/f ... -raid.html

[Bklyn21]

They still have all that Inca , Corona , 1st Crown , Suprema stuff going on but like that Massachusetts article recently stated they are more organized and disciplined and Structured now

[Pete]

Before anyone asks, yes Campos is really Italian.

Didn't these guys steal like half a billion dollars a while back? If I did that I would have fucking retired.

Retire? What’s this were in the navy now?

[CabriniGreen]

Funny thing.... the indictment says they stole 80, not 780 million.....

[Tonyd621]

Another theory is they use these street gang(s) is, it is possible, but not always to avoid a RICO charge. If you have a mere associate beat someone up is automatically a RICO charge because the feds can tie the associate to a "crime" family. If you farm it out to say a street gang, you may avoid a RICO charge, get a conspiracy to commit RICO charge, or may avoid RICO predicate, entirely. I am not saying it always happens that way.
For example, if one mob guy asks an LK or Blood member to assault someone that may be harder to prove to a jury. But if one mob guy asks another member of a family, that's easier to prove, imo.

[TommyNoto]

Another theory is they use these street gang(s) is, it is possible, but not always to avoid a RICO charge. If you have a mere associate beat someone up is automatically a RICO charge because the feds can tie the associate to a "crime" family. If you farm it out to say a street gang, you may avoid a RICO charge, get a conspiracy to commit RICO charge, or may avoid RICO predicate, entirely. I am not saying it always happens that way.
For example, if one mob guy asks an LK or Blood member to assault someone that may be harder to prove to a jury. But if one mob guy asks another member of a family, that's easier to prove, imo.

They can’t get away with murder anymore otherwise they would still be doing it. Mob hits bring in the Feds who are obviously far superior than solely homocide. Using a reliable gang hit team is just part of the evolution of the mob and actually pretty smart to throw their scent off. No different than Westin’s role in 70s / 80s

[Wiseguy]

Funny thing.... the indictment says they stole 80, not 780 million.....

What are you talking about?

[SonnyBlackstein]

I find the info on Ernie as UB, less than credible.

Onofrio (Rooster) had to get upped to Capo before he even knew who the admin was (recorded saying as such), and now a GAMBINO SOLDIER, talking to AN ASSOCIATE, knows the Westside Admin?

I call bullshit.

And I love it how Pogo changes the charts to reflect such given the circumstances but Capeci citing Mannino as rounding out the admin after citing the other two positions won’t amend him as UB.

Anyway, bullshit on a Gambino soldier knowing the Westside admin.

My two cents.

[CabriniGreen]

Funny thing.... the indictment says they stole 80, not 780 million.....

What are you talking about?

It's entirely possible that I read this fucked up.... you tell me.....


. Defendants’ Membership in or Association with La Cosa Nostra
According to multiple witnesses and as alleged in the Barca, et al. indictment, the defendant Andrew Campos is a captain in the Gambino family and Vincent Fiore, Richard Martino, James Ciaccia and George Campos6 are all inducted members, or soldiers, of the Gambino family who report to Campos. In becoming inducted members, these defendants swore allegiance for life to the crime family above all else, even their own families. Kocaj is an associate of the Gambino family who reports to Campos and has ties to various Albanian organized crime figures.
As described in more detail below, Campos and Martino were charged in 2004 with, among other crimes, racketeering for various crimes they committed as part of their membership in the Gambino family, including committing a massive scheme to defraud users of adult entertainment websites and telephone services of over $80 million. See 03-CR-304 (CBA) (E.D.N.Y.). Ultimately, on February 14, 2005, Campos pleaded guilty to
one count of wire fraud conspiracy, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371, for which he was sentenced principally to 21 months’ imprisonment and ordered to pay $300,000 in forfeiture.
That same day, Martino pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail and wir

[CabriniGreen]

Did they leave out a part of the racket here?

[CabriniGreen]

I dont know about you, but I always heard the 780 million number...... is that bullshit now or what?

[CabriniGreen]

In fact I go to read the Gangland, and they say the same thing, 750 million.....

So is this indictment not counting the porn? Was the telephone fraud the Psychic hotlines, and online the porn?

Just asking....