Is Pittsburgh alive?

[Bklyn21]

Shown to be made huh, do they carry their made-certificates around with them too?

They used to carry their laminated licensed certificates around in their wallets but that was ended in the early 90s by the Commission as it was drawing too much heat from LE. There was an incident in Downtown Pittsburgh years ago between an Lcn member and a 1%er where the Lcn guy pulled his certified license out on the biker and it was ended right there . The Commission was notified and this member had his licensed certificate revoked and had to pay a fine and numerous surcharges !. Colombo members used a similar tactic in the late 90s where they had to wear Colombo yogurt employee jackets and hats as to know who was who after the early 90s war . that was also banned by Orena loyalists and ended when Carmine Persico went to the commission and it was ruled all members would wear the Colombo yogurt jackets, Hats, Pants ! Full uniform when out or attending formal meetings with other members

The certified licence also gets you a 10% discount off every meal at IHOP.

lmaooo , Those Old School guys would love that

[FriendofHenry]

Shown to be made huh, do they carry their made-certificates around with them too?

They used to carry their laminated licensed certificates around in their wallets but that was ended in the early 90s by the Commission as it was drawing too much heat from LE. There was an incident in Downtown Pittsburgh years ago between an Lcn member and a 1%er where the Lcn guy pulled his certified license out on the biker and it was ended right there . The Commission was notified and this member had his licensed certificate revoked and had to pay a fine and numerous surcharges !. Colombo members used a similar tactic in the late 90s where they had to wear Colombo yogurt employee jackets and hats as to know who was who after the early 90s war . that was also banned by Orena loyalists and ended when Carmine Persico went to the commission and it was ruled all members would wear the Colombo yogurt jackets, Hats, Pants ! Full uniform when out or attending formal meetings with other members

The certified licence also gets you a 10% discount off every meal at IHOP.

lmaooo , Those Old School guys would love that

Damn, I never had a certified licence and now there's no one left for me to ask for one

[Wiseguy]

Calling the Decavs their own family is laughable, they can’t even make their own guys without permission and haven’t been able to for years. Those fucking guys can’t wipe their ass without asking NY for permission.

That doesn't mean they aren't their own family. Cleveland needed permission from the Genovese family to make new members. Doesn't mean they were part of the Genovese family.

They are probably less of a factor in NJ these days than the Todaro’s are in Buffalo. At least the Todaro’s are still loaded with cash while most of the Decavs are broke. I shared a cell with Rago for a year, he’s fucking broke.

The DeCavalcantes are a powerhouse compared to Buffalo. Which just shows how bad off Buffalo is.

The Genovese strategy of chopping up the leftovers of other families started in the 80s with Philly. There are multiple FBI reports of the Genovese taking over the garbage business in NEPA and whatever remnants where left in Hazleton with the Scalleat’s. By rights Scalleat’s rackets should have went to Philly since they are still a viable family and that’s the family he was made into but they did not, they went to the Genovese.

You're using outdated information to argue there's a strategy today for the NY families to move into other areas.

I don’t disagree that the Pittsburgh, Bufalino, and Buffalo families are dead. I’m just stating that their are facts to show that the Gambino, Genovese and Sicilian’s from Canada are picking up the crumbs from areas that used to have decent money making rackets. They are the only viable families left that have the power and money to do so.

Again, aside from just throwing personal theories out there, feel free to give any current examples of this.

[Bklyn21]

Shown to be made huh, do they carry their made-certificates around with them too?

They used to carry their laminated licensed certificates around in their wallets but that was ended in the early 90s by the Commission as it was drawing too much heat from LE. There was an incident in Downtown Pittsburgh years ago between an Lcn member and a 1%er where the Lcn guy pulled his certified license out on the biker and it was ended right there . The Commission was notified and this member had his licensed certificate revoked and had to pay a fine and numerous surcharges !. Colombo members used a similar tactic in the late 90s where they had to wear Colombo yogurt employee jackets and hats as to know who was who after the early 90s war . that was also banned by Orena loyalists and ended when Carmine Persico went to the commission and it was ruled all members would wear the Colombo yogurt jackets, Hats, Pants ! Full uniform when out or attending formal meetings with other members

The certified licence also gets you a 10% discount off every meal at IHOP.

lmaooo , Those Old School guys would love that

Damn, I never had a certified licence and now there's no one left for me to ask for one

I dont know If Tommy can get you one ? He's had his for a very long time now and Hes so old I dunno if he can operate a Laser printer ? Ohhh wait , Wtf am I thinking , The Chinese could definitely make an High class official bootleg no one would know a thing ! Lol

[Moscone65]

Italian cannoli pancakes for everyone boys! me and brklyn21's treat!

[Stroccos]

I think the Genovese and Gambino’s have spent the last decade cultivating rackets in areas that used to have small family’s. The Decavs are no longer the Decavs and are just a crew under the Gambino flag. A few rackets that are still going in NEPA were taken over by associates of the Genovese and Norristown is run by a made Genovese guy. I think that strategy will continue in any of the cities/areas that have enough people/money to sustain a small racket or two. Pittsburgh will probably(if it doesn’t already) have somebody from the Genovese out there making a few bucks. The small time families are dead but making money in those areas has not. Somebody will fill the void.

most of the big gambling rackets were controlled by assocites even when the mob was in its heyday in Pittsburgh. as the mob took there cut , anyone from new York who came in would be ratted out. As these gambling operators are mostly are all rats and have been ratting on each other in recent years and probably dating back to the 80's

one of many examples gambling bust earlier this year
https://triblive.com/local/regional/att ... ling-ring/

[Bklyn21]

Italian cannoli pancakes for everyone boys! me and brklyn21's treat!

That sounds great right now, ive been on a Sugar kick for days now ! Im all in

[Bklyn21]

I think the Genovese and Gambino’s have spent the last decade cultivating rackets in areas that used to have small family’s. The Decavs are no longer the Decavs and are just a crew under the Gambino flag. A few rackets that are still going in NEPA were taken over by associates of the Genovese and Norristown is run by a made Genovese guy. I think that strategy will continue in any of the cities/areas that have enough people/money to sustain a small racket or two. Pittsburgh will probably(if it doesn’t already) have somebody from the Genovese out there making a few bucks. The small time families are dead but making money in those areas has not. Somebody will fill the void.

most of the big gambling rackets were controlled by assocites even when the mob was in its heyday in Pittsburgh. as the mob took there cut , anyone from new York who came in would be ratted out. As these gambling operators are mostly are all rats and have been ratting on each other in recent years and probably dating back to the 80's

one of many examples gambling bust earlier this year
https://triblive.com/local/regional/att ... ling-ring/

Wasn't Victor Marchitello a Snitch on more than one occassion ? Didnt he testify in a trial against OC in the 90s and set up the lottery and the Mcdonalds Monopoly game for his wife to win and they knew all this and still operated with the guy ? Or am I confusing him with someone else ? I remember back when this went down someone was a known Rat and informant and they didnt care

[Stroccos]

I think the Genovese and Gambino’s have spent the last decade cultivating rackets in areas that used to have small family’s. The Decavs are no longer the Decavs and are just a crew under the Gambino flag. A few rackets that are still going in NEPA were taken over by associates of the Genovese and Norristown is run by a made Genovese guy. I think that strategy will continue in any of the cities/areas that have enough people/money to sustain a small racket or two. Pittsburgh will probably(if it doesn’t already) have somebody from the Genovese out there making a few bucks. The small time families are dead but making money in those areas has not. Somebody will fill the void.

most of the big gambling rackets were controlled by assocites even when the mob was in its heyday in Pittsburgh. as the mob took there cut , anyone from new York who came in would be ratted out. As these gambling operators are mostly are all rats and have been ratting on each other in recent years and probably dating back to the 80's

one of many examples gambling bust earlier this year
https://triblive.com/local/regional/att ... ling-ring/

Wasn't Victor Marchitello a Snitch on more than one occassion ? Didnt he testify in a trial against OC in the 90s and set up the lottery and the Mcdonalds Monopoly game for his wife to win and they knew all this and still operated with the guy ? Or am I confusing him with someone else ? I remember back when this went down someone was a known Rat and informant and they didnt care

Yeah if I recall correctly allot of these guys were rats and still operated , the most notable is ray ferrito

[Wiseguy]

Why don’t you guys just make nyc5fams4life.com and stay there, or better yet, themobsisathingofthepast.net, fucking annoying with you guys always spewing the same shit when people just wanna talk and not be constantly shit down. Vattin a napule, tremonn’

It's not about rooting for the New York families at the expense of other families. It's about keeping things in their proper perspective.

There are roughly 900 LCN members left in the country.

The New York families make up about 80% of that. Add in the only four other families - New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia, Chicago - that law enforcement and OC experts have consistently recognized for years, and you're up to around 95%.

That leaves maybe 50 guys for everywhere else there is still a made guy breathing - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans, Denver, and Los Angeles.

[gohnjotti]

I find the theory that the New York families have taken over the rackets of other families like Pittsburgh, completely hilarious. I'd like to know how this proposed takeover goes, in the 21st Century. How do they instigate such a takeover? How do they know who to ask? How do they know where to look for these families' rackets, especially when these families have had little-to-no communication with New York families in at least 20 years.

Does Liborio Bellomo whip out his computer, google who the last-known boss of the Pittsburgh Mafia, and flick him an email? Does he pay for two of his underlings to fly up and scope out his address? Is it worth going to Pittsburgh to shake down an old geezer's video poker gig?

I understand the argument that the New York mobsters use longstanding connections to these stagnant families, like L.A., to assume them into their organization. For example, the Colombo family has former consigliere Dominic Montemarano living in Beverly Hills, where he maintained (or possibly still maintains) social connections to certain L.A. mobsters. But what happens from there? Does Montemarano have to interrogate a bunch of old men to see if they're still "operating?" Is it like a biker-style "patch over?"

I just want to know how this theory of "Mafia centralization" actually happens in crime families like Pittsburgh or L.A., where ties to New York are minimal at best. Other than certain cases like how the Gambinos apparently assumed the Tampa Mob's operations, or how the DeCavalcantes began to "run under the fucking Gambinos" (as Charles Stango put it), how can we confidently assume that this happens anywhere else? I think that theory relies on the belief that the Mafia has a well-oiled corporate structure, or that the nationwide Commission is still a ruling Mafia body.

Also, I would like to here the forum's take on this. Do you think anybody in the Chicago Mafia has a direct link to any New York mobsters? Would anybody from a New York family recognize anybody from the Outfit in a police lineup? To take it further, does the Detroit mob have any direct link to New York either?

[JeremyTheJew]

Can anyone do a list of all the fams that had satellite crews??

For ie:

Gambino:
-took over trafficante possibly
-ductates decavs
- possible LA connection w Rosario Gambino son

Genoves:
-springfield crew
-??baltimore crew after Gambino's left??

Bonannos:
-past AZ crew doubt any still around
-past Cali crew??
-canada crew
-possible buffalo connectons

Philly:
-Boston crew

[Stroccos]

Also, I would like to here the forum's take on this. Do you think anybody in the Chicago Mafia has a direct link to any New York mobsters? Would anybody from a New York family recognize anybody from the Outfit in a police lineup? To take it further, does the Detroit mob have any direct link to New York either?

yeah they have some ties via federal prison are they comitting crimes toghter i highly doubt that. go do some fed time and no telling who you will meet

[Moscone65]

Why don’t you guys just make nyc5fams4life.com and stay there, or better yet, themobsisathingofthepast.net, fucking annoying with you guys always spewing the same shit when people just wanna talk and not be constantly shit down. Vattin a napule, tremonn’

It's not about rooting for the New York families at the expense of other families. It's about keeping things in their proper perspective.

There are roughly 900 LCN members left in the country.

The New York families make up about 80% of that. Add in the only four other families - New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia, Chicago - that law enforcement and OC experts have consistently recognized for years, and you're up to around 95%.

That leaves maybe 50 guys for everywhere else there is still a made guy breathing - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans, Denver, and Los Angeles.

Pittsburgh, Denver, Cleveland and la are very few, may 10+ ish altogether. Tampa and New Orleans similar scenario. Plus you got to give space for unaccounted made members, which may have been a decent amount specifically in buffalo where violi suggests he was “made” and KC where there are still quite a lot of connected guys and money to be made. So say another 15, total reasonable guesstimate. 55 made guys split between buffalo, Detroit, and KC for instance. That’s an average of slightly less than 20 guys per family. Combine that with an average of 2-3 associates per made guy (some probably have a lot more), and you have enough members for small but still established families.

[gohnjotti]

Why don’t you guys just make nyc5fams4life.com and stay there, or better yet, themobsisathingofthepast.net, fucking annoying with you guys always spewing the same shit when people just wanna talk and not be constantly shit down. Vattin a napule, tremonn’

It's not about rooting for the New York families at the expense of other families. It's about keeping things in their proper perspective.

There are roughly 900 LCN members left in the country.

The New York families make up about 80% of that. Add in the only four other families - New Jersey, New England, Philadelphia, Chicago - that law enforcement and OC experts have consistently recognized for years, and you're up to around 95%.

That leaves maybe 50 guys for everywhere else there is still a made guy breathing - Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Tampa, New Orleans, Denver, and Los Angeles.

Pittsburgh, Denver, Cleveland and la are very few, may 10+ ish altogether. Tampa and New Orleans similar scenario. Plus you got to give space for unaccounted made members, which may have been a decent amount specifically in buffalo where violi suggests he was “made” and KC where there are still quite a lot of connected guys and money to be made. So say another 15, total reasonable guesstimate. 55 made guys split between buffalo, Detroit, and KC for instance. That’s an average of slightly less than 20 guys per family. Combine that with an average of 2-3 associates per made guy (some probably have a lot more), and you have enough members for small but still established families.

KC has "slightly less than 20 guys?"