Chicago Outfit Information, 1971-1972

[Antiliar]

I don't think Alderisio ever rose above acting boss of the Battaglia crew, but he was bold, aggressive, and as you said, a scary guy. Haven't seen the story of Alderisio threatening Ferriola, so if you find the link I would appreciate reading it.

Edit: This sounds like it: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 7&tab=page

[SolarSolano]

Battaglia's crew would have been the largest/strongest at the time - my sense is that Phil had his own crew or at one point may have been the Outfit's Main Street boss.

I've heard from a relative of the DeStefanos that Mario DeStefano was one of Phil's main guys. Phil made his money pulling mortgage loan scams - falsify an appraisal, secure a loan and immediately default and pocket it - that became a massive racket in the 60s. He founded what would become the Grand Avenue crew going into the city and parts of Melrose Park that he likely either ran for (or inherited from Battaglia).

Phil came out to Chicago as a boxer and lived in Grand Ave - he was born and raised in the Bronx. He got his start in the Outfit working as a leg breaker and got involved guarding gambling operations for Morrie Norman, Chicago's restaurant tycoon and Humphrey's guy on the south side. He eventually opened some BBQ restaurants around northern IL and Milwaukee area where he started installing bookmakers and partnering up with Milwaukee hoods - that's how he got his nickname he never lived in Milwaukee. When he got big, he moved his family out from the Bronx and made a bunch of those Bronx guys like Patrick Ricciardi his guys in Chicago. Phil was one of the more connected guys to NYC from the Outfit.

[Villain]

Buccieri had a wire room in Cicero, although Cicero was mostly Aiuppa's domain.

Northern Cicero belonged to Giancana/Buccieri/ Eulo and others, while the southern part belonged to Aiuppa/Corngold/Ansani. There's a whole chapter from the feds regarding this situation

There are reports that say Aiuppa controlled Cicero south of 22nd Street and Buccieri controlled north of 22nd Street up to Cerone's territory. But we have to remember these same reports don't always have good information. One says Catuara was the capo of Chicago Heights after LaPorte died, and that he also operated under Alderisio. My point is that when dealing with information some of it is contradictory and has to be taken with a grain of salt. Chinatown is a great example of where the info was often confused. One informant says that Phil D'Andrea was the capo before he went to prison, but another since that Bruno Roti was from 1930 to his death in 1956. Catuara was according to a source with Chinatown, others say he was with Chicago Heights. That's why I qualify statements with "may have been" or "was possibly," etc. There's just too much uncertainty.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be stubborn fella but I see nothing conflicting in one information which says that in 1943 or 44, Volpe (probably together with Agoglia and Giancana) "invaded" the northern part of Cicero, and later we have another information in which we have Aiuppa controlling everything South from 22nd. Maybe that same St was the borderline on which everyone had their own ops...

Also if you stay by the major capos theory, there's nothing unusual in D'Andrea being the boss or major capos of the South side, including Chinatown, and Roti simply being his top capo or crew boss in that same area. It's simple as that. D'Andrea also had Cooney beneath him, followed by Hunt and others. He also controlled the Loop and was above the Guziks. It seems that D'Andrea took control of Capone's old gang which also included the Genero bros and other fellas. Did you know that D'Andrea also had interests in Cicero and the West side?

[Villain]

Battaglia's crew would have been the largest/strongest at the time - my sense is that Phil had his own crew or at one point may have been the Outfit's Main Street boss.

I've heard from a relative of the DeStefanos that Mario DeStefano was one of Phil's main guys. Phil made his money pulling mortgage loan scams - falsify an appraisal, secure a loan and immediately default and pocket it - that became a massive racket in the 60s. He founded what would become the Grand Avenue crew going into the city and parts of Melrose Park that he likely either ran for (or inherited from Battaglia).

Phil came out to Chicago as a boxer and lived in Grand Ave - he was born and raised in the Bronx. He got his start in the Outfit working as a leg breaker and got involved guarding gambling operations for Morrie Norman, Chicago's restaurant tycoon and Humphrey's guy on the south side. He eventually opened some BBQ restaurants around northern IL and Milwaukee area where he started installing bookmakers and partnering up with Milwaukee hoods - that's how he got his nickname he never lived in Milwaukee. When he got big, he moved his family out from the Bronx and made a bunch of those Bronx guys like Patrick Ricciardi his guys in Chicago. Phil was one of the more connected guys to NYC from the Outfit.

During one period, all of the previously mentioned capos and crew bosses answered to Battaglia, including Alderisio, Nicoletti, Pranno, DeStefano (don't think he was a capo but still controlled a large crew) etc. Things changed when Ferraro died and Battaglia became number two. From that point on, Alderisio received interests in the Loop and also the North Side, which in fact made him the top capo of the West side, followed by Nicoletti, Buccieri and Aiuppa. When Battaglia became the boss, Alderisio became the number two guy and also literally became a national mobster by having close contacts with some top bosses from around the country.

Btw what was deal with Potenza, meaning was he under the Elmwood Park or Melrose Park admins? After his stroke and alleged retirement, he was mostly seen with the North Side faction, including Prio, DiVarco and DiBella

[Villain]

I'm not knocking on anyone's door here, but some of you fellas look at the Chicago Mob as they were some rocket scientists, while the reality is that they simply represented a group of violent neanderthals and retarded criminal minds, who sticked to some type of already invented and ordinary (army) hierarchy and rules, which corresponded with their inhuman nature and their final and only goal was to make a lot of money so they can "correspond" with the elite. Only cash used to be their ticket to salvation or going up the ranks lol. That's it...it used to be a dog eat dog organization, meaning there's nothing complicated or confusing about it. Anyone who grew up among at least one or two high level and organizational tough guys, he or she will understand what I'm talking about here.

Also, I'm going to stop posting on these kind of subjects for some short time, or until I post the upcoming project... nothing personal to anyone,love you all

[SolarSolano]

Spot on with that pal - they were smart guys but most died in prison. Often in the Outfit, their families were left with very little. IT was common place for widows and children to see the former "friends" of their deceased fathers come in and clean out the safes. If they were lucky, they were left with legitimate businesses - like Joe Shine Amabile's family inherited a grocery chain. Agnes Nicoletti on the other hand, was left with nothing.

[Villain]

Spot on with that pal - they were smart guys but most died in prison. Often in the Outfit, their families were left with very little. IT was common place for widows and children to see the former "friends" of their deceased fathers come in and clean out the safes. If they were lucky, they were left with legitimate businesses - like Joe Shine Amabile's family inherited a grocery chain. Agnes Nicoletti on the other hand, was left with nothing.

Thanks bud and yeah I agree that most of them left nothing to their own families. Btw if you have some specific infos or questions, pls send me a private msg so I can send you my own compilations or shots from the files and sources regarding whatever subject

[cavita]

Spot on with that pal - they were smart guys but most died in prison. Often in the Outfit, their families were left with very little. IT was common place for widows and children to see the former "friends" of their deceased fathers come in and clean out the safes. If they were lucky, they were left with legitimate businesses - like Joe Shine Amabile's family inherited a grocery chain. Agnes Nicoletti on the other hand, was left with nothing.

That is very interesting since it was commonplace when a made guy went to prison, usually the wife or family was provided for during the incarceration of the guy in question.

[Villain]

Spot on with that pal - they were smart guys but most died in prison. Often in the Outfit, their families were left with very little. IT was common place for widows and children to see the former "friends" of their deceased fathers come in and clean out the safes. If they were lucky, they were left with legitimate businesses - like Joe Shine Amabile's family inherited a grocery chain. Agnes Nicoletti on the other hand, was left with nothing.

That is very interesting since it was commonplace when a made guy went to prison, usually the wife or family was provided for during the incarceration of the guy in question.

Except for the Capone, Nitto and Campagna families, there are only few additional examples in the Outfit at least that I know of

[SolarSolano]

I think the idea that made guys were taken care of in prison or after they were killed is probably a lot more myth and conjecture than reality (like mobsters staying away from drugs) - sure it happened and some guys were being taken care of. I'm sure there were also a ton of guys who were not - the inherit risk in the rackets is that money dries up quickly when things get busted or go off the rails - these guys didn't have insurance and 401Ks going as a fallback. A few wives would go on welfare to support their families - that was often their only option.

[maxiestern11]

I think the idea that made guys were taken care of in prison or after they were killed is probably a lot more myth and conjecture than reality (like mobsters staying away from drugs) - sure it happened and some guys were being taken care of. I'm sure there were also a ton of guys who were not - the inherit risk in the rackets is that money dries up quickly when things get busted or go off the rails - these guys didn't have insurance and 401Ks going as a fallback. A few wives would go on welfare to support their families - that was often their only option.

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this is a very true point you make. and happens more often than not! A fact that gets glossed over because it diminishes the view of the mob in peoples eyes so they sweep it under the rug. But its more the case than that of a guy being well taken care of while he serves his time. God bless the child who has his own, because most times not only don't the upper echelon provide for a members family, but they will actually do the reverse and try and grab whatever he has operating and producing for him on the street! Sad commentary on their state of affairs. Especially nowadays!
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Cases where a man's assets on the street are protected are usually when he has a brother, cousin, or other family member or real close friend to watch out for him and his family. Otherwise, a guy in the can (good fellow or not) is open season! Guys will look to rob him fourteen ways to the middle for their own benefit. Especially the shit that's out there today operating. Between the reduced revenue streams available to earn, and their natural tendencies to scheme each other................ cheating one another is never far off!
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And that's regardless of whether its in Chicago, NYC or any other locale. The nature of the beast doesn't change!

[Villain]

I think the idea that made guys were taken care of in prison or after they were killed is probably a lot more myth and conjecture than reality (like mobsters staying away from drugs) - sure it happened and some guys were being taken care of. I'm sure there were also a ton of guys who were not - the inherit risk in the rackets is that money dries up quickly when things get busted or go off the rails - these guys didn't have insurance and 401Ks going as a fallback. A few wives would go on welfare to support their families - that was often their only option.

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this is a very true point you make. and happens more often than not! A fact that gets glossed over because it diminishes the view of the mob in peoples eyes so they sweep it under the rug. But its more the case than that of a guy being well taken care of while he serves his time. God bless the child who has his own, because most times not only don't the upper echelon provide for a members family, but they will actually do the reverse and try and grab whatever he has operating and producing for him on the street! Sad commentary on their state of affairs. Especially nowadays!
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Cases where a man's assets on the street are protected are usually when he has a brother, cousin, or other family member or real close friend to watch out for him and his family. Otherwise, a guy in the can (good fellow or not) is open season! Guys will look to rob him fourteen ways to the middle for their own benefit. Especially the shit that's out there today operating. Between the reduced revenue streams available to earn, and their natural tendencies to scheme each other................ cheating one another is never far off!
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And that's regardless of whether its in Chicago, NYC or any other locale. The nature of the beast doesn't change!

Nicely said

[SolarSolano]

I was told by a very good source that a lot of Outfit sons who were legit were extorted years and years after their fathers were dead - from Ricca to Spilotro.

[Pete]

I think the idea that made guys were taken care of in prison or after they were killed is probably a lot more myth and conjecture than reality (like mobsters staying away from drugs) - sure it happened and some guys were being taken care of. I'm sure there were also a ton of guys who were not - the inherit risk in the rackets is that money dries up quickly when things get busted or go off the rails - these guys didn't have insurance and 401Ks going as a fallback. A few wives would go on welfare to support their families - that was often their only option.

Correct depends on the guy. Harry alemans family was taken care of but that’s because his uncle was joe ferriola. Most got no help. Another myth debunked

[Pete]

I'm not knocking on anyone's door here, but some of you fellas look at the Chicago Mob as they were some rocket scientists, while the reality is that they simply represented a group of violent neanderthals and retarded criminal minds, who sticked to some type of already invented and ordinary (army) hierarchy and rules, which corresponded with their inhuman nature and their final and only goal was to make a lot of money so they can "correspond" with the elite. Only cash used to be their ticket to salvation or going up the ranks lol. That's it...it used to be a dog eat dog organization, meaning there's nothing complicated or confusing about it. Anyone who grew up among at least one or two high level and organizational tough guys, he or she will understand what I'm talking about here.

Also, I'm going to stop posting on these kind of subjects for some short time, or until I post the upcoming project... nothing personal to anyone,love you all

There were a handful of guys that were smart. Accardo, cerone, difronzo to name a few but the majority were stupid thugs who followed orders not criminal masterminds