In your opinion which crime family has the youngest amount of members

[Confederate]

Whatevers left of Chicago IMO I still think the Westside shares values and partnerships with Chicago in some form or fashion ,Even though I cant prove that in anyway because there is really nothing out there to prove it ,Just opinion and speculation

Years ago that was very true. In 2019, seriously doubt it. Chicago lost all their power in Las Vegas years ago and they are barely standing. The Genovese's wouldn't need the Outfit for anything. That nationwide cooperation with Chicago is long gone IMO. The Outfit has been reduced to a small weak local Family that keeps to themselves. Some of the remaining older guys don't even want to be closely connect to it.

[maxiestern11]

Colombo’s but most are young and green. We’re not talking sharp capable guys. .... the quality across the board it diminishing but Colombo’s are among the worst from what I see. Very low end rackets

A racket is a racket for good reason...What low end rackets are you referring to?

Book, shy etc but on a Mickey Mouse scale. No sophistication or vision. Low end cafone stuff for the most part!

[Confederate]

Colombo’s but most are young and green. We’re not talking sharp capable guys. .... the quality across the board it diminishing but Colombo’s are among the worst from what I see. Very low end rackets

A racket is a racket for good reason...What low end rackets are you referring to?

Book, shy etc but on a Mickey Mouse scale. No sophistication or vision. Low end cafone stuff for the most part!

There's no future in that low end heavy blue collar bullshit. It's too easy for some asshole to not pay and then run to the Feds and get wired to get the Collector in trouble. Then, the Collector now cooperates etc. etc. There is way more future in legitimate business (the right kind) and White Collar Crime attached to it IMO. Emphasis on the word "White".

[Wiseguy]

A few years ago, I took all the members on on Pogo's charts (an adequate sample size) and averaged out the ages. The Genovese family was the oldest with an average age in the mid-70s. The Bonannos were the youngest with an average age in the mid-60s.

Considering the Genovese family traditionally being more careful about who they make, perhaps part of it is them making guys when they're older and have proven themselves longer. In any event, they've seemed to be able to replenish their ranks.

[Confederate]

A few years ago, I took all the members on on Pogo's charts (an adequate sample size) and averaged out the ages. The Genovese family was the oldest with an average age in the mid-70s. The Bonannos were the youngest with an average age in the mid-60s.

Considering the Genovese family traditionally being more careful about who they make, perhaps part of it is them making guys when they're older and have proven themselves longer. In any event, they've seemed to be able to replenish their ranks.

How many active made guys are in the Genovese Family in 2019? 200?

[Lupara]

A few years ago, I took all the members on on Pogo's charts (an adequate sample size) and averaged out the ages. The Genovese family was the oldest with an average age in the mid-70s. The Bonannos were the youngest with an average age in the mid-60s.

Considering the Genovese family traditionally being more careful about who they make, perhaps part of it is them making guys when they're older and have proven themselves longer. In any event, they've seemed to be able to replenish their ranks.

How many active made guys are in the Genovese Family in 2019? 200?

Their total number is about 200. Considering they have so many old guys I guess the active member would be quite lower.

[Lupara]

Age is everything when it comes to longevity, ultimately. Putting external factors aside, 10 crews with guys under 40 will last longer than twenty with seniors. The Genoveses will have to replenish their ranks at some point in order to survive, despite the current size of the family.

Anyway I was only half serious at most when I made that comment. [emoji4]

Gathered you were only half kidding [emoji6]

But the point still stands. Age has nothing to do with it.
The ability to replenish ranks is the determining factor.
Remember we’re not talking about this generation of gangsters, so average age doesn’t mean anything.

My point still stands too. So what we have here is two points standing alongside staring each other in the eyes.

Sure there is more than just age such as capability and a recruiting pool. But in the end age is still everything.

If the majority of the Genoveses are in their 70s they may have no more than a decade to replenish their ranks which means more pressure to maintain their numbers. If the Bonannos have let's say a majority of members in their 40s (just to make an example) they may continue to be active for another 40. Some will end up in jail but a member stays a member until he dies. That also means the family has a much longer timeframe to recruit suitable guys as replacements. It means the family will have an easier time maintaining their numbers and their existance.

The Genoveses better have plenty of new recruits ready or else their numbers will fall soon. And in this day and age I think each of the families face the same problem with finding capable guys. The bums who are left as potential recruits probably don't even have the wits to realise or don't even care which family is the best to join. They just want to make an easy buck and be a gangster with whoever wants them.

[SonnyBlackstein]

But in the end age is still everything.

If the majority of the Genoveses are in their 70s they may have no more than a decade to replenish their ranks which means more pressure to maintain their numbers. If the Bonannos have let's say a majority of members in their 40s (just to make an example) they may continue to be active for another 40. Some will end up in jail but a member stays a member until he dies. That also means the family has a much longer timeframe to recruit suitable guys as replacements. It means the family will have an easier time maintaining their numbers and their existance.

Nope .

Remember the point is the longevity of the family. Not a particular generation of gangsters.

So using your example Genovese in their 70’s vs Bonanno’s in their 40’s. In ten years time give or take, you’ll have 225 new Westside soldiers. And who knows what their average will be, hell, could be lower than the Bonanno’s. And in ten years time, you might have 125 Bonanno’s.
So now we’re dealing with the same relative difference in size, but how does the Bonanno’s younger average age to the PREVIOUS Genovese generation affect this proposition?

Not at all.

Ability to replenish and size are THE factor’s in a FAMILIES longevity. A particular average age of one particular generation means little overall.

Just sayin

[Wiseguy]

A few years ago, I took all the members on on Pogo's charts (an adequate sample size) and averaged out the ages. The Genovese family was the oldest with an average age in the mid-70s. The Bonannos were the youngest with an average age in the mid-60s.

Considering the Genovese family traditionally being more careful about who they make, perhaps part of it is them making guys when they're older and have proven themselves longer. In any event, they've seemed to be able to replenish their ranks.

How many active made guys are in the Genovese Family in 2019? 200?

One of the more recent estimates was in the 2014 Wall Street Journal article that said they were the largest family with close to 200 members. But that's total members. Not active, which is harder to determine.

Age is everything when it comes to longevity, ultimately. Putting external factors aside, 10 crews with guys under 40 will last longer than twenty with seniors. The Genoveses will have to replenish their ranks at some point in order to survive, despite the current size of the family.

Anyway I was only half serious at most when I made that comment. [emoji4]

Gathered you were only half kidding [emoji6]

But the point still stands. Age has nothing to do with it.
The ability to replenish ranks is the determining factor.
Remember we’re not talking about this generation of gangsters, so average age doesn’t mean anything.

My point still stands too. So what we have here is two points standing alongside staring each other in the eyes.

Sure there is more than just age such as capability and a recruiting pool. But in the end age is still everything.

If the majority of the Genoveses are in their 70s they may have no more than a decade to replenish their ranks which means more pressure to maintain their numbers. If the Bonannos have let's say a majority of members in their 40s (just to make an example) they may continue to be active for another 40. Some will end up in jail but a member stays a member until he dies. That also means the family has a much longer timeframe to recruit suitable guys as replacements. It means the family will have an easier time maintaining their numbers and their existance.

The Genoveses better have plenty of new recruits ready or else their numbers will fall soon. And in this day and age I think each of the families face the same problem with finding capable guys. The bums who are left as potential recruits probably don't even have the wits to realise or don't even care which family is the best to join. They just want to make an easy buck and be a gangster with whoever wants them.

Where are we getting this "Bonannos in their 40's" when making comparisons? As I said above, the average Bonanno member is in their mid-60s.

[SonnyBlackstein]

And if the Persibo’s induct 50 18yr olds, they’ll outlast the Bellomo family

Loop

[bert]

Anyone of any age looking to join the mafia is crazy. 50 years ago I understand, but since the 1980's it's a ticket to prison.

[Moscone65]

At this point in time I think the average age of getting made is in the 40’s, same with Canada. Some 30 year olds get made and some slightly older guys in their 50’s, but early to mid 40’s seems to be the age you get brought in nowadays. You’ve proven yourself by that point, and your old enough to be respected, have a bunch of younger associates working under you.

[eboli]

Yeah, I think the Bonannos have the lowest average age of members. Some of the Genovese guys are ancient. I mean Mario Gigante was probably active as late as 2010. And it appears they generally have an older pool of made members. It's worth of note in recent years we don't have a lot of info on their making ceremonies, so they might have been inducting some kids in their 40s to balance things out.

[Lupara]

A few years ago, I took all the members on on Pogo's charts (an adequate sample size) and averaged out the ages. The Genovese family was the oldest with an average age in the mid-70s. The Bonannos were the youngest with an average age in the mid-60s.

Considering the Genovese family traditionally being more careful about who they make, perhaps part of it is them making guys when they're older and have proven themselves longer. In any event, they've seemed to be able to replenish their ranks.

How many active made guys are in the Genovese Family in 2019? 200?

Age is everything when it comes to longevity, ultimately. Putting external factors aside, 10 crews with guys under 40 will last longer than twenty with seniors. The Genoveses will have to replenish their ranks at some point in order to survive, despite the current size of the family.

Anyway I was only half serious at most when I made that comment. [emoji4]

Gathered you were only half kidding [emoji6]

But the point still stands. Age has nothing to do with it.
The ability to replenish ranks is the determining factor.
Remember we’re not talking about this generation of gangsters, so average age doesn’t mean anything.

My point still stands too. So what we have here is two points standing alongside staring each other in the eyes.

Sure there is more than just age such as capability and a recruiting pool. But in the end age is still everything.

If the majority of the Genoveses are in their 70s they may have no more than a decade to replenish their ranks which means more pressure to maintain their numbers. If the Bonannos have let's say a majority of members in their 40s (just to make an example) they may continue to be active for another 40. Some will end up in jail but a member stays a member until he dies. That also means the family has a much longer timeframe to recruit suitable guys as replacements. It means the family will have an easier time maintaining their numbers and their existance.

The Genoveses better have plenty of new recruits ready or else their numbers will fall soon. And in this day and age I think each of the families face the same problem with finding capable guys. The bums who are left as potential recruits probably don't even have the wits to realise or don't even care which family is the best to join. They just want to make an easy buck and be a gangster with whoever wants them.

Where are we getting this "Bonannos in their 40's" when making comparisons? As I said above, the average Bonanno member is in their mid-60s.[/quote]

I was "just making an example" to explain my point not saying the Bonannos actually had an average age of 40. Loosen up.

[Lupara]

But in the end age is still everything.

If the majority of the Genoveses are in their 70s they may have no more than a decade to replenish their ranks which means more pressure to maintain their numbers. If the Bonannos have let's say a majority of members in their 40s (just to make an example) they may continue to be active for another 40. Some will end up in jail but a member stays a member until he dies. That also means the family has a much longer timeframe to recruit suitable guys as replacements. It means the family will have an easier time maintaining their numbers and their existance.

Nope [emoji6].

Remember the point is the longevity of the family. Not a particular generation of gangsters.

So using your example Genovese in their 70’s vs Bonanno’s in their 40’s. In ten years time give or take, you’ll have 225 new Westside soldiers. And who knows what their average will be, hell, could be lower than the Bonanno’s. And in ten years time, you might have 125 Bonanno’s.
So now we’re dealing with the same relative difference in size, but how does the Bonanno’s younger average age to the PREVIOUS Genovese generation affect this proposition?

Not at all.

Ability to replenish and size are THE factor’s in a FAMILIES longevity. A particular average age of one particular generation means little overall.

Just sayin [emoji39]

But in the end age is still everything.

If the majority of the Genoveses are in their 70s they may have no more than a decade to replenish their ranks which means more pressure to maintain their numbers. If the Bonannos have let's say a majority of members in their 40s (just to make an example) they may continue to be active for another 40. Some will end up in jail but a member stays a member until he dies. That also means the family has a much longer timeframe to recruit suitable guys as replacements. It means the family will have an easier time maintaining their numbers and their existance.

Nope [emoji6].

Remember the point is the longevity of the family. Not a particular generation of gangsters.

So using your example Genovese in their 70’s vs Bonanno’s in their 40’s. In ten years time give or take, you’ll have 225 new Westside soldiers. And who knows what their average will be, hell, could be lower than the Bonanno’s. And in ten years time, you might have 125 Bonanno’s.
So now we’re dealing with the same relative difference in size, but how does the Bonanno’s younger average age to the PREVIOUS Genovese generation affect this proposition?

Not at all.

Ability to replenish and size are THE factor’s in a FAMILIES longevity. A particular average age of one particular generation means little overall.

Just sayin [emoji39]

As I've said so myself too, there's more than just the average age of members such as the capability to recruit new members and the size and quality of the recruitment pool.

It does mean little overall if the Genoveses have 200 capable guys ready to fill in the shoes of members who will pass away within a decade, but do they? If they don't due to a dwindling recruitment pool, they may face a problem and their numbers will drop significantly. If the Bonannos have on average members in their 40s (for example, don't panick WG) they don't face the same problem for the foreseable future. That's the point I'm making, but it's purely an hypothesis.

My point has taken a beating by yours but he still stands because he's a tough and stubborn sob. He also has a gun in his pocket so if your point tries something again he'll get shot in the face.