DiFronzo was lucky. Or...? (+ other Outfit sh*t)

[JIGGS]

It ain't rocket prupulsion scifi. Was he or wasn't he a dry snitch?

Guy was involved in the spilotro work and shit load of other stuff the big BOSS (Joey clown) got sent up the river for. How the hell does he avoid getting charged by the J.E. Hoovers? Schweitz or whatever gets caught up but not NO-NOSE?

What's the opinion round these parts?

Also do the J. E. Hoovers have difronze on camera meeting with bosses from another city before he passed?

Finally is the chicago mafia really deep sixed when the family secret bosses are still breathing? Can't mikey m. joey clown and the rest run it from the clink the way amuso, manna and the mancusos do?

JIGGS

[slimshady_007]

I doubt that Marcello and joey the clown have any idea of what goes on in the outfit, last i checked they were in supermax prison

[Villain]

When someone becomes "untouchable" so to speak, there are possibilities that same individual could've snitched or simply played the law in the right way. Don't forget that one of DiFronzos possible mentors was Accardo himself, a guy who never served a prison term. I'm not trying to sound naive but some of these fellas really knew how to isolate themselves and they also had many connections in the government and so it's not unusual to leak few infos here and there just to protect the main core of the organization. Also don't forget that the Outfit had made members within the police force (which allegedly is against some Mafia rules) or the political world, so everything used to be mixed up if you know what I'm saying

[Frank]

It ain't rocket prupulsion scifi. Was he or wasn't he a dry snitch?

Guy was involved in the spilotro work and shit load of other stuff the big BOSS (Joey clown) got sent up the river for. How the hell does he avoid getting charged by the J.E. Hoovers? Schweitz or whatever gets caught up but not NO-NOSE?

What's the opinion round these parts?

Also do the J. E. Hoovers have difronze on camera meeting with bosses from another city before he passed?

Finally is the chicago mafia really deep sixed when the family secret bosses are still breathing? Can't mikey m. joey clown and the rest run it from the clink the way amuso, manna and the mancusos do?

JIGGS

He was one of the main targets originally in Family Secrets. Nick Calabrese also named Lou Marino as one of the killers in the Spilotro case that was never indicted for those murders. LE just didn't have any other evidence on DiFronzo and Marino, besides Calabrese. Also I don't think it has ever been confirmed that Lombardo was ever the top boss of the Outfit. I don't believe he ever outranked DiFronzo.Maybe in the early 1970s. But yes alot of people suspect DiFronzo as being one of the two CI. That list of possible informants can really grow and be anyone if you really think about it. My opinion is that it's possible, but I can think of others that fit the info. It seems he only communicated with a limited amount of people he trusted. Which brings up the possibility that he knew or strongly suspected a few rats.

[Frank]

It's also possible he hadn't been boss since 2014, when it first came out that he had Alzheimers. So a meeting with other families bosses is very unlikely. He had a guy or guys that represented the Outfit with other Families. I tend to believe he was just that smart and lucky, and not one of the CI.

[JIGGS]

When someone becomes "untouchable" so to speak, there are possibilities that same individual could've snitched or simply played the law in the right way. Don't forget that one of DiFronzos possible mentors was Accardo himself, a guy who never served a prison term. I'm not trying to sound naive but some of these fellas really knew how to isolate themselves and they also had many connections in the government and so it's not unusual to leak few infos here and there just to protect the main core of the organization. Also don't forget that the Outfit had made members within the police force (which allegedly is against some Mafia rules) or the political world, so everything used to be mixed up if you know what I'm saying

Makes total sense guy! I'm JIGGS.

JIGGS

[JIGGS]

I doubt that Marcello and joey the clown have any idea of what goes on in the outfit, last i checked they were in supermax prison

Jesus really? That bad huh? Do you know if anybodys popping up on visiting day? Wasn't the junior gotti seeing his old man threw a plate glass window? At the same supermax? Or is this another supermax?

JIGGS

[JIGGS]

It ain't rocket prupulsion scifi. Was he or wasn't he a dry snitch?

Guy was involved in the spilotro work and shit load of other stuff the big BOSS (Joey clown) got sent up the river for. How the hell does he avoid getting charged by the J.E. Hoovers? Schweitz or whatever gets caught up but not NO-NOSE?

What's the opinion round these parts?

Also do the J. E. Hoovers have difronze on camera meeting with bosses from another city before he passed?

Finally is the chicago mafia really deep sixed when the family secret bosses are still breathing? Can't mikey m. joey clown and the rest run it from the clink the way amuso, manna and the mancusos do?

JIGGS

He was one of the main targets originally in Family Secrets. Nick Calabrese also named Lou Marino as one of the killers in the Spilotro case that was never indicted for those murders. LE just didn't have any other evidence on DiFronzo and Marino, besides Calabrese. Also I don't think it has ever been confirmed that Lombardo was ever the top boss of the Outfit. I don't believe he ever outranked DiFronzo.Maybe in the early 1970s. But yes alot of people suspect DiFronzo as being one of the two CI. That list of possible informants can really grow and be anyone if you really think about it. My opinion is that it's possible, but I can think of others that fit the info. It seems he only communicated with a limited amount of people he trusted. Which brings up the possibility that he knew or strongly suspected a few rats.

Im just suppositioning that Joe clown was the be all end of it all. Like joe batters. Who OFFICIALY wasnt the boss. But his clout was worth 10 times more than joe doves, jackie lacky and the wings carlisemo.

Can you share who else you t hink could a been informing on the capone gang? Gussie maybe? That roti charachter who was an elected politico maybe? Or more down below?


JIGGS

[JIGGS]

It's also possible he hadn't been boss since 2014, when it first came out that he had Alzheimers. So a meeting with other families bosses is very unlikely. He had a guy or guys that represented the Outfit with other Families. I tend to believe he was just that smart and lucky, and not one of the CI.

Do you know who it was? The rep for the no NOSE? Was it the Petey nose?

JIGGS

[Antiliar]

In one of the indictments from the past ten years, it may have been one of the cases related to Mickey Davis, Chuckie Russell, or Paul Carparelli, one of them was recorded as saying that Pete DiFronzo was the street boss for the whole Outfit. In the indictment for one of those cases it listed three confidential informants, and one was apparently a made guy going back to the 1980s. If John DiFronzo was a dry snitch, it probably wasn't until after the Rincon Indian casino case in the early 1990s that sent DiFronzo to prison. Hopefully one of the other posters remembers which case it was.

[JIGGS]

In one of the indictments from the past ten years, it may have been one of the cases related to Mickey Davis, Chuckie Russell, or Paul Carparelli, one of them was recorded as saying that Pete DiFronzo was the street boss for the whole Outfit. In the indictment for one of those cases it listed three confidential informants, and one was apparently a made guy going back to the 1980s. If John DiFronzo was a dry snitch, it probably wasn't until after the Rincon Indian casino case in the early 1990s that sent DiFronzo to prison. Hopefully one of the other posters remembers which case it was.

Hey buddy, is this in a book not written by bill reemer? Or is this straight outta the files of the J.E. Hoovers? What I'm saying is where can I see more about this indian casino case and 1970s-1980s capone gang related shit?

JIGGS

[eboli]

I think some people assumed DiFronzo might have been a snitch since he managed to stay out of prison in a historically bad time for the Chicago Outfit. In the past I've seen a similar snitch theory about Accardo too. I don't think that's the case at all, but if No Nose was indeed informing, it had to be after the Rincon Casino case from the early 90's - the one Antiliar mentioned. DiFronzo's conviction was reversed on appeal and the whole situation is very similar to a case involving one of his mentors - Tony Accardo - who's conviction on income tax evasion in the early 60's was also reversed on appeal.

As for Operation Family Secrets, in my opinion the feds did not have enough direct evidence to convict DiFronzo, so they focused on the guys they were confident about. Either way, The Outfit is on deathwatch and has been for some time now. In my opinion they were crippled beyond repair once Marcello and Mike Sarno were convicted.

[Frank]

It ain't rocket prupulsion scifi. Was he or wasn't he a dry snitch?

Guy was involved in the spilotro work and shit load of other stuff the big BOSS (Joey clown) got sent up the river for. How the hell does he avoid getting charged by the J.E. Hoovers? Schweitz or whatever gets caught up but not NO-NOSE?

What's the opinion round these parts?

Also do the J. E. Hoovers have difronze on camera meeting with bosses from another city before he passed?

Finally is the chicago mafia really deep sixed when the family secret bosses are still breathing? Can't mikey m. joey clown and the rest run it from the clink the way amuso, manna and the mancusos do?

JIGGS

He was one of the main targets originally in Family Secrets. Nick Calabrese also named Lou Marino as one of the killers in the Spilotro case that was never indicted for those murders. LE just didn't have any other evidence on DiFronzo and Marino, besides Calabrese. Also I don't think it has ever been confirmed that Lombardo was ever the top boss of the Outfit. I don't believe he ever outranked DiFronzo.Maybe in the early 1970s. But yes alot of people suspect DiFronzo as being one of the two CI. That list of possible informants can really grow and be anyone if you really think about it. My opinion is that it's possible, but I can think of others that fit the info. It seems he only communicated with a limited amount of people he trusted. Which brings up the possibility that he knew or strongly suspected a few rats.

Im just suppositioning that Joe clown was the be all end of it all. Like joe batters. Who OFFICIALY wasnt the boss. But his clout was worth 10 times more than joe doves, jackie lacky and the wings carlisemo.

Can you share who else you t hink could a been informing on the capone gang? Gussie maybe? That roti charachter who was an elected politico maybe? Or more down below?


JIGGS

I understand what you are saying in comparing the position to the new Joe Batters. Bosses like Aiuppa, Giancana, Cerone and Battaglia for a few examples were just called the Boss of the Outfit. In todays language they would be called street bosses or acting bosses. Paul Ricca then Tony Accardo were the official bosses. Now there is much debate of who first actually replaced Accardo, and Lombardo's name has been mentioned in the past as a possibility, but as time goes on and different info comes out, it looks like he never held that position as top boss of the Outfit. Its come out that he might have even been put on the shelf.It was either Aiuppa, Carlisi or DiFronzo that took Accardos spot as the actual head of the Outfit, with Joe Andriacchi a slight possibility also.

[Frank]

In one of the indictments from the past ten years, it may have been one of the cases related to Mickey Davis, Chuckie Russell, or Paul Carparelli, one of them was recorded as saying that Pete DiFronzo was the street boss for the whole Outfit. In the indictment for one of those cases it listed three confidential informants, and one was apparently a made guy going back to the 1980s. If John DiFronzo was a dry snitch, it probably wasn't until after the Rincon Indian casino case in the early 1990s that sent DiFronzo to prison. Hopefully one of the other posters remembers which case it was.

Hey buddy, is this in a book not written by bill reemer? Or is this straight outta the files of the J.E. Hoovers? What I'm saying is where can I see more about this indian casino case and 1970s-1980s capone gang related shit?

JIGGS

The Rincon or Indian case is for real. I don't believe the CI was Fred Roti and Gus Alex wasn't a made member, so that eliminates him.

[slimshady_007]

I doubt that Marcello and joey the clown have any idea of what goes on in the outfit, last i checked they were in supermax prison

Jesus really? That bad huh? Do you know if anybodys popping up on visiting day? Wasn't the junior gotti seeing his old man threw a plate glass window? At the same supermax? Or is this another supermax?

JIGGS

They’re in solitary confinement 23 hours a day and any
visit they have will be closely watched by the feds. The prison that they are housed in, adx Florence, is the most secured prison in the us. Gotti wasn’t housed there, but he was in a similar prison in Illinois. Right now, the outfit is likely under the control of Al Vena, but he’ll likely be in prison or under indictment within a couple of years.