The Irishman is full of sh*t

[eboli]

I think Scorsese does "mostly accurate" stories and does a good job in retaining the character of the real life people, events, etc. For Goodfellas he himself admitted they couldn't make them as despicable as real life, because people would not want to watch that movie. He omitted some details about Karen, the motives behind Billy Batts' murder, etc, but it was done because they felt it wouldn't add anything important to the narrative.

The movie is based off the book. Many people believe the book is a complete lie so the opinions of the movie will be distorted.

I agree completely. Scorsese just felt the source material had to be adapted for the movie more than initially expected.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

In Goodfellas it's the characters who weren't accurately portayed. Henry Hill as the tall, handsome guy and Tommy as a midget who was the same age as Henry.

Not to mention most of the scenes with Henry and Tommy hanging out were actually based on Paul Vario's sons. Like the double date where he meets Karyn. Hill was afraid of DeSimone and avoided going out with him.

Scorsese went with this story because it's good and at this point will likely never be disproven.

Several journalists and writers, including Hoffa Wars author Dan Moldea, begged Scorsese, DeNiro and everyone else involved not to do this movie because they believe Sheeran is a fraud. They got the same answer. Scorsese and the other guys don't give a shit. It's a movie. It's based on real events but they just wanted to do a project to get the guys back together and do a mob movie. Martin Scorsese is a filmmaker not a historian.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

We are getting a Scorcese movie with DeNiro, Pacino, Pesci, and Keitel. Who gives a shit if it's accurate

Finally, someone who gets it.

People should watch the interviews where Scorsese talks about the mob guys he knew growing up in Little Italy (Peter DeFeo and "Black Alex" Morelli? Just guessing..don't hold me to it). He didn't even know these guys were in the mob. His best friend's dad was in the mob and to Marty he was just a regular guy who dressed really nice. Was very nice. It wasn't until he got older that he realized what was going on. Then he started hearing the stories. How awful some of these guys were, who he thought were the sweetest men in the world. He puts that duality into his films, and was probably the first to do it on such a personal level, as Coppola and Puzo weren't exactly using first hand sources with The Godfather. Scorsese just makes movies about what he knows. He takes a story, like Jake Lamotta's, Henry Hill's, Lefty Rosenthal's, Whitey Bulger's or Frank Sheeran's and treats it with what he knows about the personalities that round out these stories.

[JCB1977]

Fellas,

The book was an enormous success. While Frank’s story is highly debated and most likely not 100% accurate, but there are components of his story that makes perfect sense and are very believable. He most definitely exaggerated his role but there are many important people out there who truly believe that he was at least there that day. Parts of his story are very plausible. Marty will most certainly put his own twist in the book’s story line. This is the biggest mystery in US history . It’s like saying the movie JFK sucked because you believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone shooter and don’t agree with the crossfire conspiracy theory. Great cast...director...huge budget. I think it’s gonna be great.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

I don't care if Sheeran is falsely attributed to killing Hoffa and it goes down in history as such. Is that okay? Everyone knows why he died. Who cares who actually did it?

[Amershire_Ed]

One thing that is different about this movie from Goodfellas and Casino is that Scorsese is using everyone’s real names. Instead of close but not quite names like Paul Cicero, Nicky Santoro and Jimmy Conway he’s actually using Russell Bufalino, Frank Sheeran, Angelo Bruno, etc.

[Lupara]

One thing that is different about this movie from Goodfellas and Casino is that Scorsese is using everyone’s real names. Instead of close but not quite names like Paul Cicero, Nicky Santoro and Jimmy Conway he’s actually using Russell Bufalino, Frank Sheeran, Angelo Bruno, etc.

Because they're all long gone. At the time of Goodfellas some of them were still alive.

[dack2001]

My concern is that the movie will buttress a false historical narrative. I think JFK backed itself pretty well, read Zachary Sklar's book. Anyone can make the point that they don't care about history just want to see a movie but when a guy claims to have participated in the three of the most famous killings of the 20th century I'd be a more than a little skeptical and am interested in how they handle it and hope its done responsibly.

[Lupara]

I wouldn't lose sleep over the film's accuracy and will judge it on its quality, so I really hope the de-aging technology will look better in the final film than in the trailer.

However I disagree about Scorsese being just a filmmaker. His films that are based on real life persons and events have incredible eye for detail. The guy loves doing it right and is an artistic genius. I think he does love history.

Ridley Scott would be a better example of being a 'filmmaker'.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

However I disagree about Scorsese being just a filmmaker. His films that are based on real life persons and events have incredible eye for detail.

Regarding personality, not names, places and events. He bases all of his characters on people he knows. He's said as much.

The guy loves doing it right and is an artistic genius. I think he does love history.

The people who protested The Last Temptation of Christ might disagree.

Ridley Scott would be a better example of being a 'filmmaker'.

More like, Scorsese and Ridley Scott are both filmmakers with different backgrounds and thus different basis for their characters' personalities.

[Lupara]

The people who protested The Last Temptation of Christ might disagree.

Never saw it so can't comment on it. But obviously, the further you go back in time, the more questionable accuracy becomes.

More like, Scorsese and Ridley Scott are both filmmakers with different backgrounds and thus different basis for their characters' personalities.

Imo, they are both different kind of filmmakers unrelated to their background. Ridley Scott is a typical blockbuster director. He's the perfect guy in Hollywood to hire in order to make money. Good director, but less artistic than Scorsese.

[maxiestern11]

The people who protested The Last Temptation of Christ might disagree.

Never saw it so can't comment on it. But obviously, the further you go back in time, the more questionable accuracy becomes.

More like, Scorsese and Ridley Scott are both filmmakers with different backgrounds and thus different basis for their characters' personalities.

Imo, they are both different kind of filmmakers unrelated to their background. Ridley Scott is a typical blockbuster director. He's the perfect guy in Hollywood to hire in order to make money. Good director, but less artistic than Scorsese.

Scorsese is a wonderful filmmaker.... you really have to go out of your way NOT to like Scorsese and his work! And of course he makes films on subject matter that he can relate to. In his particular case, having grown up in Little Italy in Manhattan and Corona in Queens, often his “go to” subject is mob related. He had both friends and personal knowledge having grown up in the neighborhood that makes that subject very relatable....and as far as Sheeran goes, and the “exact” storyline and Hoffa history, etc., Scorsese, like 99.9% of movie directors go, claims “poetic license” and retrofits the story accordingly, both for the sake of editing the film, fitting it into the time frame required for the screen, splicing and leaving some info on the cutting room floor, etc., to try and create a comprehensive film whose story the viewer can follow.
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Quite frankly, there is so much “fiction” involved in ANY account of the Hoffa story, that nearly all renditions of what “really” happened are largely speculative at best!
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So why not just sit back, grab some popcorn and a cold drink, and just enjoy the show for what it’s really meant for....... “entertainment purposes”, and not a “realistic historical” lesson in what really went down. [which none of us will EVER really know]..... heck, mob guys in the know don’t even know what happened that day!

[Fughedaboutit]

I don't care if Sheeran is falsely attributed to killing Hoffa and it goes down in history as such. Is that okay? Everyone knows why he died. Who cares who actually did it?

Mob enthusiasts, the police, the FBI, his family etc...

Silly statement.

[Grouchy Sinatra]

I don't care if Sheeran is falsely attributed to killing Hoffa and it goes down in history as such. Is that okay? Everyone knows why he died. Who cares who actually did it?

Mob enthusiasts, the police, the FBI, his family etc...

Silly statement.

You mean people who've failed to solve the case. Scorsese's guess is as good as anyone's. Enjoy the film.

[bert]

Scorsese grew up in Flushing, and only lived in Little Italy as an adult, when he lived there he was not friends with anyone who grew up there. Yet he makes claims on so many things and no one in the news or movie industry will dispute him. He was criticized a bit by Spike Lee once, now they are best of friends, probably a combination of Lee being told to not ruin the money train, and Scorsese kissing Lee's ass. They now praise each other interviews. Spike Lee recently said 'Marty invited me over to watch on of his movies and give him some advice..." Yeah, right. Scorsese can make some very good films, Lee can't. Scorsese now brags about Lee being his friend. They are both full of shit. Irishman may be good, but it will be overacted by Scosese fans, and no matter how off it is regarding the truth, people will swear it's true cause it's his film.