bert wrote:I care because it starts people believing the story. On here people research and follow these topics, but the movie will reach millions who don't, and the lies told in it will become the truth. That will increase as time passes. I like a movie to be based on facts as close as they can do it.
Yeah I'm supprised Scorsese went with this story. I think he does partly because at this point Hoffa's murder will likely never be solved.
I don't think he cares.
He's said in interviews that he grew up around very polite mobsters that you wouldn't even know were mobsters unless someone told you. He loves to show the dichotomy between how likable some of them really are combined with how vicious they can be. He doesn't care what happened to Hoffa. He just wanted to get DeNiro and Pesci together one last time to make another film about the kings that ruled his village growing up.
Glick told author Nicholas Pileggi that he expected to meet a banker-type individual, but instead, he found Alvin Baron to be a gruff, tough-talking cigar-chomping Teamster who greeted him with, “What the fuck do you want?”
At this point, the FBI is pretty adamant that Frank Sheeran wasn't involved. He was listed as a potential suspect early on in the investigation, but that's about it. I've literally interviewed more than a dozen FBI agents who worked the case. None of them give Sheeran's theory any credibility.
The Tony Z tip and dig in '13 was the biggest break in the case even though it didn't pan.
Frank's story and subsequent visit with luminol only proves he knew of a house that had blood spatter in the kitchen, doesn't prove anything regarding Hoffa. I also would have been shocked if anyone besides a retired agent or two in the FBI endorsed Sheeran considering they spent days digging up a different place just a few years ago. I think he's a blowhard who wanted to give his daughters some cash when he died but that doesn't mean he wasn't in on the Hoffa hit, we just don't know. I do put stock in what his contemporaries thought of him. He was close to Buffalino but also was pretty sloppy in his dealing in the late 70's and early 80's. I think the truth is closer to what John Berkery said than Charles Brandt wrote.
scott22 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:39 am
At this point, the FBI is pretty adamant that Frank Sheeran wasn't involved. He was listed as a potential suspect early on in the investigation, but that's about it. I've literally interviewed more than a dozen FBI agents who worked the case. None of them give Sheeran's theory any credibility.
The Tony Z tip and dig in '13 was the biggest break in the case even though it didn't pan.
Scott
From Dan Moldea:
Dan E. Moldea on Sheeran (3-13-2004): "As I wrote in my 1978 book, The Hoffa Wars, Frank Sheeran was directly involved in the murder of former Teamsters boss Jimmy Hoffa. Even though I do not believe that Sheeran, either in his alleged signed confession or Charles Brandt's upcoming book, was telling the truth about his specific role at the crime scene, I do believe that he honestly revealed many important details about certain events that occurred prior to the killing.
I’m not saying Frank pulled the trigger...but I 100% believe he was directly involved. It’s a fact that he was in Detroit the day of the disappearance.
"I figure I’m gonna have to do about 6000 years before I get accepted into heaven. And 6000 years is nothing in eternity terms. I can do that standing on my head. It’s like a couple of days here."
I wonder now if Sleepy Joe Biden will be mentioned, Or portrayed in the movie because over the last 10 years Scorcese wouldn't continue filming and wouldn't put the movie out until Bidens run in the White House was finished and over due to his very close relationship to Frank Sheeran in which he was spotted at meetings with Sheeran by FBI surveillance and other LE groups and the fact he was caught on wiretap/Bugs with Sheeran speaking of Political and Union affairs and potentially threatening and harming people standing in their way . Supposedly Biden was backed heavily by the IBT who did him numerous favors and contributed to his causes,Campaigns monetarily and making sure his people were placed in key positions. He was caught on a wire/Bug calling Sheeran one of his biggest supporters and one of his most trusted and long time friends, Saying him and Sheeran go back many years and growing up together . Supposedly, Certain people say they were threatened to not release that movie until Biden left office, Or Sheeran died, Or both . They said they were threatened with political and economic, And possible physical harm . So, I'm dying to see if Biden or mentions of Biden is in this movie in any capacity??
Yeah the last thing we need is a president with mob ties...
Glick told author Nicholas Pileggi that he expected to meet a banker-type individual, but instead, he found Alvin Baron to be a gruff, tough-talking cigar-chomping Teamster who greeted him with, “What the fuck do you want?”
Scorsese always had an eye for detail and accuracy so I do believe he cares. Obviously he gives the story credit and he also knows that it is very unlikely it will be disproven since Hoffa's murder will never be solved. And besides being true or untrue it's a great story nonetheless and movie material.
Lupara wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:19 pm
Scorsese always had an eye for detail and accuracy
In regard to personalities of his characters, making them plausible to the viewer, not history. Goodfellas was all over the place. So was Casino. So was Raging Bull. I don't believe Scorsese's ever made a historically accurate non fiction film. Except maybe The Last Temptation of Christ.
Glick told author Nicholas Pileggi that he expected to meet a banker-type individual, but instead, he found Alvin Baron to be a gruff, tough-talking cigar-chomping Teamster who greeted him with, “What the fuck do you want?”
Just happened to know of a house in Detroit area with blood, one of the few people Hoffa trusted and would get into a car with, was in Detroit that day, no way he could possibly be involved.
scott22 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:39 am
At this point, the FBI is pretty adamant that Frank Sheeran wasn't involved. He was listed as a potential suspect early on in the investigation, but that's about it. I've literally interviewed more than a dozen FBI agents who worked the case. None of them give Sheeran's theory any credibility.
The Tony Z tip and dig in '13 was the biggest break in the case even though it didn't pan.
Scott
Is the current theory that it was an all Detroit done job, with no Sheeran and no NY guys.
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Chuckie O'Brien wasn't in the car. His job was to pick up the car from Joey Jack and deliver the car to the hitters at Southfield Athletic Club. and he had no clue Hoffa was about to get hit. He was simply told to bring Joey's car up to the club (Tony Jack's HQ).
Hoffa and O'Brien were in a huge fight and not on speaking terms at that time -- Hoffa felt Chuckie betrayed by siding with his enemies not to mention Chuckie was going around telling everyone Hoffa was an FBI informant. No way Hoffa gets into a car with him behind the wheel in 1975. Maybe In 1965, but not 1975.
