TommyGambino wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:41 am So the Falzone boss thing didn't come from scott burnstein like pogo claimed
I never claimed that. I was refering to the origina of the nickname.
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TommyGambino wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:41 am So the Falzone boss thing didn't come from scott burnstein like pogo claimed
NickleCity wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:38 amI I believe that came from a 2013 NF Reporter article. It stated:
“According to the FBI, Leonard “The Calzone” Falzone took over as acting boss of the family when Todaro stepped down in 2006, after years of serving as an enforcer, hit man and finally a capo in the organization. Falzone has of course denied this.
Still, the feds say Falzone was ultimately named consigliere to the Buffalo family in 1987.”
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/Sto ... letti.html
However, Ron Fino wrote the following in his book about the same time:
“Leonard Falzone: Enforcer for the Todaro Family. Some say he is the current boss but I believe it is Joe Todaro Sr. and that Leonard is fronting for him.”
The 2006 FBI chart doesn’t indicate Falzone is in the administration. But who knows, he could have been promoted after the chart was made. Be interesting to compare it to a later chart.
Very good posts, I've come to these same conclusions, both in regards to 2006 and Leonard Falzone's status.eboli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:18 amTodaro Jr. was consistently listed as underboss since the mid 80's until 2006 when official sources dry up. Falzone, according to FBI and court documents, was listed as the consigliere/counselor in 1987, 1994, 1999. The period between 2006-2015 is very obscure at this point. There's nothing definite on what happened with the family's administration after Todaro Sr.'s death until the Violi tapes.
Something else that is interesting is that the FBI’s special agent Naum indicates Todaro Jr. was essentially the acting boss as far back as ‘89. The Buffalo news articles states:Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:22 pmNickleCity wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:38 amI I believe that came from a 2013 NF Reporter article. It stated:
“According to the FBI, Leonard “The Calzone” Falzone took over as acting boss of the family when Todaro stepped down in 2006, after years of serving as an enforcer, hit man and finally a capo in the organization. Falzone has of course denied this.
Still, the feds say Falzone was ultimately named consigliere to the Buffalo family in 1987.”
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/Sto ... letti.html
However, Ron Fino wrote the following in his book about the same time:
“Leonard Falzone: Enforcer for the Todaro Family. Some say he is the current boss but I believe it is Joe Todaro Sr. and that Leonard is fronting for him.”
The 2006 FBI chart doesn’t indicate Falzone is in the administration. But who knows, he could have been promoted after the chart was made. Be interesting to compare it to a later chart.
Very good posts, I've come to these same conclusions, both in regards to 2006 and Leonard Falzone's status.eboli wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:18 amTodaro Jr. was consistently listed as underboss since the mid 80's until 2006 when official sources dry up. Falzone, according to FBI and court documents, was listed as the consigliere/counselor in 1987, 1994, 1999. The period between 2006-2015 is very obscure at this point. There's nothing definite on what happened with the family's administration after Todaro Sr.'s death until the Violi tapes.
Re: Todaro Jr: I don't know any of these men, who they are, or what their priorities are in life. Todaro Jr could be Chris Moltisanti or Michael Corleone and I'd have no way of knowing either way. But, given that we know he was Underboss from 1985 until 2006 and his father was boss, one could make the argument that Todaro was being groomed/established to be the successor. (It's pretty amazing that Buffalo had a Father-Son administration when 20 years prior Magaddino caught shit for allegedly putting a relative in. Was Buffalo in such a weakened state or were the Todaros that powerful enough?)
2006: We keep hearing this year (as well as 2014) and we don't have the specifics, but something occurred in both. I don't know if we have all the details but it appears there might have been some rank switching. Given what's come out in the last few years, it seems doubtful that the Todaros ever gave it up. I could see Joe Todaro going into retirement (he had health issues for several years prior to his death), his son becoming acting and Falzone being under them in the pecking order.
But we don't know. I'm not writing off Falzone as a boss just yet. My working theories above could be totally off. It would help if we got official FBI documentation stating him and such.
I would guess that Rocco & Natale Luppino were made long before 2002.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:55 amVioli was connected to Buffalo since before 2002? And yet he was only recently made in 2015.
Yeah, we can't assume that we know of every ceremony before 2015, but if they have ~30 members they must have had a few of them.johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 3:04 pmI would guess that Rocco & Natale Luppino were made long before 2002.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:55 amVioli was connected to Buffalo since before 2002? And yet he was only recently made in 2015.
Seems likely Jimmy Luppino was also a made man with Buffalo.
I con’t help but think the Todaro’s were powerful enough in the 80’s. Given the factionalism in the 70’s he would have had to have been to ‘unite’ the family and not get knocked off in the process. This FBI document indicates that Sr.was the number one mobster in WNY by ‘81. Can’t help but wonder if Jr. Is the redacted name that had all the younger guys under his control.Chris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:22 pm
Re: Todaro Jr: I don't know any of these men, who they are, or what their priorities are in life. Todaro Jr could be Chris Moltisanti or Michael Corleone and I'd have no way of knowing either way. But, given that we know he was Underboss from 1985 until at least 2006 while his father was boss, one could make the argument that they weren't planning on giving it up. (It's pretty amazing that Buffalo had a Father-Son administration when 20 years prior Magaddino caught shit for allegedly putting a relative in. Was Buffalo in such a weakened state or were the Todaros that powerful enough?)
Thanks Pogo, didn’t know when Jr. got made. Could you point me to the source.Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:08 pm Todaro Jr. was not made until 1985 so probably not a reference to him.
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From the Draft Complaint against the Laborers International, it looks like Jr. has been a made many since at least 1978 and was promoted to underboss in 1985. He was a business agent from from 1978-1990 and it says, “at all times hereto...has been a made member...”. Not good with legal speak but to me that suggests the whole time he was a business agent he was a made member of the Buffalo family. If anyone is up with their legalese let me know if I’m wrong.Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:49 pm It was in one of the LIUNA reports from the 90s. Eboli quoted from one a few pages back. It is in one of those.
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http://www.ipsn.org/laborers/internatio ... newest.htmPogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:25 pm Not that it has bearing on Todaro Jr.but that is not unheard of. Chuckle Merlino and Joey Ciancaglini Jr both became UnderBoss less than a year after being made. Same with Frank Martines to Acting UnderBoss.
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Some info about Todaro Snr getting the boss position is in one of the Black Hand threads. Probably in this one. From what I remember, the Commission picked or named Todaro the boss over one of the Pieri Bros. That appears to be the end of the infighting of the family. The Pieri faction probably lost momentum do to indictments and convictions. And probably age became a factor seeing the factioning of the family had been going on for nearly 20 years.NickleCity wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:02 pmI con’t help but think the Todaro’s were powerful enough in the 80’s. Given the factionalism in the 70’s he would have had to have been to ‘unite’ the family and not get knocked off in the process. This FBI document indicates that Sr.was the number one mobster in WNY by ‘81. Can’t help but wonder if Jr. Is the redacted name that had all the younger guys under his control. BF455920-4433-4FB8-A688-F6B086B1A1D9.jpegChris Christie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:22 pm
Re: Todaro Jr: I don't know any of these men, who they are, or what their priorities are in life. Todaro Jr could be Chris Moltisanti or Michael Corleone and I'd have no way of knowing either way. But, given that we know he was Underboss from 1985 until at least 2006 while his father was boss, one could make the argument that they weren't planning on giving it up. (It's pretty amazing that Buffalo had a Father-Son administration when 20 years prior Magaddino caught shit for allegedly putting a relative in. Was Buffalo in such a weakened state or were the Todaros that powerful enough?)