The future of LCN

[Bklyn21]

You can see the figures for Italian populatioms in specific cities below. New York (at #1) obviously includes the extended metro area (as the site notes). Add in parts of Connecticut and it's over 2 million.

https://www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/5187-2/

That Chart is 30 years old , Alot has changed over those 3 decades . I know NYC is still #1 those figures have to be down dramatically from close to 2 million in the 5 boroughs. Is that for the 5 boroughs or all of the state including LI , Nassau and Suffolk counties

You're right, should have caught that. Wonder what the 2010 census said? Obviously we have another one coming up. I did read an article from not long ago that said there are only 50,000 Italians in New York City (The 5 boroughs, I assume).

Anyway, the numbers listed for New York I assumed included the extended metro area, i.e 5 boroughs, Long Island, Westchester/North Suburbs, North Jersey, etc

I found the same crap ! Nothing really recent that gives any definitive numbers , Then I found something from 10 years ago that I think was saying there were over 3 million Italians in the whole state , And I saw the 50,000 number quote for the 5 boroughs. Confusing ! I said theres no way there's 3 million, Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone . A few neighborhoods that border each other really stand out to me specifically, Canarsie, Flatlands, Mill basin . Up until the mid 90' these 3 were still all Italian, Now , I'm not too far away but , Not even a bit recognizable. All black 100% . But, it's like that somewhat everywhere . Old news lol

[scagghiuni]

Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone

staten island is 38% italian anyway and it is an entire borough, also some neighborhood like howard beach, dyker heights, trogs neck and others are still heavily italian

[maxiestern11]

You can see the figures for Italian populatioms in specific cities below. New York (at #1) obviously includes the extended metro area (as the site notes). Add in parts of Connecticut and it's over 2 million.

https://www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/5187-2/

That Chart is 30 years old , Alot has changed over those 3 decades . I know NYC is still #1 those figures have to be down dramatically from close to 2 million in the 5 boroughs. Is that for the 5 boroughs or all of the state including LI , Nassau and Suffolk counties

You're right, should have caught that. Wonder what the 2010 census said? Obviously we have another one coming up. I did read an article from not long ago that said there are only 50,000 Italians in New York City (The 5 boroughs, I assume).

Anyway, the numbers listed for New York I assumed included the extended metro area, i.e 5 boroughs, Long Island, Westchester/North Suburbs, North Jersey, etc

I found the same crap ! Nothing really recent that gives any definitive numbers , Then I found something from 10 years ago that I think was saying there were over 3 million Italians in the whole state , And I saw the 50,000 number quote for the 5 boroughs. Confusing ! I said theres no way there's 3 million, Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone . A few neighborhoods that border each other really stand out to me specifically, Canarsie, Flatlands, Mill basin . Up until the mid 90' these 3 were still all Italian, Now , I'm not too far away but , Not even a bit recognizable. All black 100% . But, it's like that somewhat everywhere . Old news lol

If I remember correctly, appx 20% of the five Boros, and fully 25% of LI (Nassau-Suffolk) trace Italian lineage. ITALIANS make up the largest segment of the population overall..... and thats not even counting upstate NY communities which have a very large Italian population.
LI have over 3.5 +/- million people. NYC has appx 9-11 +/- million....... THATS millions of Italians overall! HUGE!
NJ? CT?...... other areas with large Italian areas

[maxiestern11]

You can see the figures for Italian populatioms in specific cities below. New York (at #1) obviously includes the extended metro area (as the site notes). Add in parts of Connecticut and it's over 2 million.

https://www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/5187-2/

That Chart is 30 years old , Alot has changed over those 3 decades . I know NYC is still #1 those figures have to be down dramatically from close to 2 million in the 5 boroughs. Is that for the 5 boroughs or all of the state including LI , Nassau and Suffolk counties

You're right, should have caught that. Wonder what the 2010 census said? Obviously we have another one coming up. I did read an article from not long ago that said there are only 50,000 Italians in New York City (The 5 boroughs, I assume).

Anyway, the numbers listed for New York I assumed included the extended metro area, i.e 5 boroughs, Long Island, Westchester/North Suburbs, North Jersey, etc

I found the same crap ! Nothing really recent that gives any definitive numbers , Then I found something from 10 years ago that I think was saying there were over 3 million Italians in the whole state , And I saw the 50,000 number quote for the 5 boroughs. Confusing ! I said theres no way there's 3 million, Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone . A few neighborhoods that border each other really stand out to me specifically, Canarsie, Flatlands, Mill basin . Up until the mid 90' these 3 were still all Italian, Now , I'm not too far away but , Not even a bit recognizable. All black 100% . But, it's like that somewhat everywhere . Old news lol

If I remember correctly, appx 20% of the five Boros, and fully 25% of LI (Nassau-Suffolk) trace Italian lineage. ITALIANS make up the largest segment of the population overall..... and thats not even counting upstate NY communities which have a very large Italian population.
LI have over 3.5 +/- million people. NYC has appx 9-11 +/- million....... THATS millions of Italians overall! HUGE!
NJ? CT?...... other areas with large Italian areas

In most northeastern states, Italians are very strong. Even Florida

[maxiestern11]

You can see the figures for Italian populatioms in specific cities below. New York (at #1) obviously includes the extended metro area (as the site notes). Add in parts of Connecticut and it's over 2 million.

https://www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/5187-2/

That Chart is 30 years old , Alot has changed over those 3 decades . I know NYC is still #1 those figures have to be down dramatically from close to 2 million in the 5 boroughs. Is that for the 5 boroughs or all of the state including LI , Nassau and Suffolk counties

You're right, should have caught that. Wonder what the 2010 census said? Obviously we have another one coming up. I did read an article from not long ago that said there are only 50,000 Italians in New York City (The 5 boroughs, I assume).

Anyway, the numbers listed for New York I assumed included the extended metro area, i.e 5 boroughs, Long Island, Westchester/North Suburbs, North Jersey, etc

I found the same crap ! Nothing really recent that gives any definitive numbers , Then I found something from 10 years ago that I think was saying there were over 3 million Italians in the whole state , And I saw the 50,000 number quote for the 5 boroughs. Confusing ! I said theres no way there's 3 million, Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone . A few neighborhoods that border each other really stand out to me specifically, Canarsie, Flatlands, Mill basin . Up until the mid 90' these 3 were still all Italian, Now , I'm not too far away but , Not even a bit recognizable. All black 100% . But, it's like that somewhat everywhere . Old news lol

If I remember correctly, appx 20% of the five Boros, and fully 25% of LI (Nassau-Suffolk) trace Italian lineage. ITALIANS make up the largest segment of the population overall..... and thats not even counting upstate NY communities which have a very large Italian population.
LI have over 3.5 +/- million people. NYC has appx 9-11 +/- million....... THATS millions of Italians overall! HUGE!
NJ? CT?...... other areas with large Italian areas

In most northeastern states, Italians are very strong. Even Florida

What I’m curious about, is there anything left in Utica? Or it that area completely defunct? ..... that ties into Buffalo as well correct?

[JCB1977]

RANK CITY ITALIAN POPULATION
1 New York, NY 1,882,396
2 Philadelphia, PA 497,721
3 Chicago, IL 492,158
4 Boston, MA 485,761
5 Pittsburgh, PA 316,351
6 Los Angeles/Long Beach, CA 308,409
7 Detroit, MI 280,051
8 Cleveland, OH 179,733
9 Rochester,NY 170,910
10 Washington, D.C. 163,440
11 Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL 161,234
12 Providence, RI 157,143
13 Albany/Troy, NY 151,810
14 Buffalo, NY 149,003
15 Baltimore, MD 144,394
16 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 140,204
17 New Haven, CT 137,261
18 San Francisco, CA 123,041
19 San Diego, CA 122,516
20 Scranton, PA 122,102
21 Hartford, CT 114,574
22 New Orleans, LA 111,234
23 Phoenix, AZ 108,066
24 San Jose, CA 102,333
25 Syracuse, NY 102,271
26 St. Louis, MO 93,946
27 Seattle, WA 93,298
28 Bridgeport, CT 87,399
29 Houston, TX 86,807
30 Sacramento, CA 83,411
31 Youngstown, OH 82,215
32 Denver, CO 81,028
33 West Palm Beach, FL 78,050
34 Atlanta, GA 69,819
35 Columbus, OH 68,168
36 Utica, NY 63,156
37 Allentown, PA 62,265
38 Milwaukee, WI 61,997
39 Minneapolis, MN 61,126
40 Atlantic City, NJ 60,318
41 Waterbury, CT 58,940
42 Dallas, TX 57,554
43 Springfield, MA 57,466
44 Akron, OH 56,612
45 Las Vegas, NV 56,6l0
46 Miami, FL 55,754
47 Worcester, MA 55,262
48 Cincinnati, OH 44,264
49 Lawrence, MA 43,067
50 Wilmington, DE 40,204

[JCB1977]

You can see the figures for Italian populatioms in specific cities below. New York (at #1) obviously includes the extended metro area (as the site notes). Add in parts of Connecticut and it's over 2 million.

https://www.niaf.org/culture/statistics/5187-2/

That Chart is 30 years old , Alot has changed over those 3 decades . I know NYC is still #1 those figures have to be down dramatically from close to 2 million in the 5 boroughs. Is that for the 5 boroughs or all of the state including LI , Nassau and Suffolk counties

You're right, should have caught that. Wonder what the 2010 census said? Obviously we have another one coming up. I did read an article from not long ago that said there are only 50,000 Italians in New York City (The 5 boroughs, I assume).

Anyway, the numbers listed for New York I assumed included the extended metro area, i.e 5 boroughs, Long Island, Westchester/North Suburbs, North Jersey, etc

I found the same crap ! Nothing really recent that gives any definitive numbers , Then I found something from 10 years ago that I think was saying there were over 3 million Italians in the whole state , And I saw the 50,000 number quote for the 5 boroughs. Confusing ! I said theres no way there's 3 million, Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone . A few neighborhoods that border each other really stand out to me specifically, Canarsie, Flatlands, Mill basin . Up until the mid 90' these 3 were still all Italian, Now , I'm not too far away but , Not even a bit recognizable. All black 100% . But, it's like that somewhat everywhere . Old news lol

If I remember correctly, appx 20% of the five Boros, and fully 25% of LI (Nassau-Suffolk) trace Italian lineage. ITALIANS make up the largest segment of the population overall..... and thats not even counting upstate NY communities which have a very large Italian population.
LI have over 3.5 +/- million people. NYC has appx 9-11 +/- million....... THATS millions of Italians overall! HUGE!
NJ? CT?...... other areas with large Italian areas

In most northeastern states, Italians are very strong. Even Florida

4 of the Top 10 cities with the largest italian populations are from the midwest. 4 are from the Northeast with L.A and D.C rounding out the top 10. L.A. surprises me but I am sure most of the population migrated from the Midwest/East Coast

[johnny_scootch]

I found the same crap ! Nothing really recent that gives any definitive numbers , Then I found something from 10 years ago that I think was saying there were over 3 million Italians in the whole state , And I saw the 50,000 number quote for the 5 boroughs. Confusing ! I said theres no way there's 3 million, Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone . A few neighborhoods that border each other really stand out to me specifically, Canarsie, Flatlands, Mill basin . Up until the mid 90' these 3 were still all Italian, Now , I'm not too far away but , Not even a bit recognizable. All black 100% . But, it's like that somewhat everywhere . Old news lol

Mill Basin is all black 100%??? Really? Bergen Beach too? I live here also so you know you can't say that is true. Granted things are very different but you are stretching with some of those comments. Not even a bit recognizable? I still eat the same bread (moretti) same pizza (originals) same pastries (palermo) go to same pork store (landis) as I have for decades so clearly its not totally unrecognizable.

[bert]

Census figures are often way off. If you go to the ares or drive around, you will see it differs, especially Staten Island. No way they are 38% Italian.

[bert]

Staten Island Italians gather

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNPD4c_JNik

[scagghiuni]

Census figures are often way off. If you go to the ares or drive around, you will see it differs, especially Staten Island. No way they are 38% Italian.

according to this article amost 36% anyway...

'with a staggering 35.7%, Staten Island is the single county in the United States with the highest percentage of Italian Americans in the entirety of the United States. Some neighborhoods, like South Shore, are even more markedly Italian, and, other than 90% Italian-American population'

https://www.lavocedinewyork.com/en/news ... p-in-2016/

[Ivan]

RANK CITY ITALIAN POPULATION
1 New York, NY 1,882,396
2 Philadelphia, PA 497,721
3 Chicago, IL 492,158
4 Boston, MA 485,761
5 Pittsburgh, PA 316,351
6 Los Angeles/Long Beach, CA 308,409
7 Detroit, MI 280,051
8 Cleveland, OH 179,733
9 Rochester,NY 170,910
10 Washington, D.C. 163,440
11 Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL 161,234
12 Providence, RI 157,143
13 Albany/Troy, NY 151,810
14 Buffalo, NY 149,003
15 Baltimore, MD 144,394
16 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 140,204
17 New Haven, CT 137,261
18 San Francisco, CA 123,041
19 San Diego, CA 122,516
20 Scranton, PA 122,102
21 Hartford, CT 114,574
22 New Orleans, LA 111,234
23 Phoenix, AZ 108,066
24 San Jose, CA 102,333
25 Syracuse, NY 102,271
26 St. Louis, MO 93,946
27 Seattle, WA 93,298
28 Bridgeport, CT 87,399
29 Houston, TX 86,807
30 Sacramento, CA 83,411
31 Youngstown, OH 82,215
32 Denver, CO 81,028
33 West Palm Beach, FL 78,050
34 Atlanta, GA 69,819
35 Columbus, OH 68,168
36 Utica, NY 63,156
37 Allentown, PA 62,265
38 Milwaukee, WI 61,997
39 Minneapolis, MN 61,126
40 Atlantic City, NJ 60,318
41 Waterbury, CT 58,940
42 Dallas, TX 57,554
43 Springfield, MA 57,466
44 Akron, OH 56,612
45 Las Vegas, NV 56,6l0
46 Miami, FL 55,754
47 Worcester, MA 55,262
48 Cincinnati, OH 44,264
49 Lawrence, MA 43,067
50 Wilmington, DE 40,204

These are for metro areas, not within the city limits right? I don't think there are 179,733 still in the city of Cleveland - that figure has to include all the ones in the suburbs too.

[JCB1977]

RANK CITY ITALIAN POPULATION
1 New York, NY 1,882,396
2 Philadelphia, PA 497,721
3 Chicago, IL 492,158
4 Boston, MA 485,761
5 Pittsburgh, PA 316,351
6 Los Angeles/Long Beach, CA 308,409
7 Detroit, MI 280,051
8 Cleveland, OH 179,733
9 Rochester,NY 170,910
10 Washington, D.C. 163,440
11 Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL 161,234
12 Providence, RI 157,143
13 Albany/Troy, NY 151,810
14 Buffalo, NY 149,003
15 Baltimore, MD 144,394
16 Ft. Lauderdale, FL 140,204
17 New Haven, CT 137,261
18 San Francisco, CA 123,041
19 San Diego, CA 122,516
20 Scranton, PA 122,102
21 Hartford, CT 114,574
22 New Orleans, LA 111,234
23 Phoenix, AZ 108,066
24 San Jose, CA 102,333
25 Syracuse, NY 102,271
26 St. Louis, MO 93,946
27 Seattle, WA 93,298
28 Bridgeport, CT 87,399
29 Houston, TX 86,807
30 Sacramento, CA 83,411
31 Youngstown, OH 82,215
32 Denver, CO 81,028
33 West Palm Beach, FL 78,050
34 Atlanta, GA 69,819
35 Columbus, OH 68,168
36 Utica, NY 63,156
37 Allentown, PA 62,265
38 Milwaukee, WI 61,997
39 Minneapolis, MN 61,126
40 Atlantic City, NJ 60,318
41 Waterbury, CT 58,940
42 Dallas, TX 57,554
43 Springfield, MA 57,466
44 Akron, OH 56,612
45 Las Vegas, NV 56,6l0
46 Miami, FL 55,754
47 Worcester, MA 55,262
48 Cincinnati, OH 44,264
49 Lawrence, MA 43,067
50 Wilmington, DE 40,204

These are for metro areas, not within the city limits right? I don't think there are 179,733 still in the city of Cleveland - that figure has to include all the ones in the suburbs too.

It wasn't specific but I assuming so as all other cities are usually looped in with the metro area

[Bklyn21]

Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone

staten island is 38% italian anyway and it is an entire borough, also some neighborhood like howard beach, dyker heights, trogs neck and others are still heavily italian

[Bklyn21]

I found the same crap ! Nothing really recent that gives any definitive numbers , Then I found something from 10 years ago that I think was saying there were over 3 million Italians in the whole state , And I saw the 50,000 number quote for the 5 boroughs. Confusing ! I said theres no way there's 3 million, Over the last 25-30, Especially the last 15-20 years Italians have been leaving the boroughs and long island in mass numbers . We all know all the Italian neighborhoods are gone . A few neighborhoods that border each other really stand out to me specifically, Canarsie, Flatlands, Mill basin . Up until the mid 90' these 3 were still all Italian, Now , I'm not too far away but , Not even a bit recognizable. All black 100% . But, it's like that somewhat everywhere . Old news lol

Mill Basin is all black 100%??? Really? Bergen Beach too? I live here also so you know you can't say that is true. Granted things are very different but you are stretching with some of those comments. Not even a bit recognizable? I still eat the same bread (moretti) same pizza (originals) same pastries (palermo) go to same pork store (landis) as I have for decades so clearly its not totally unrecognizable.

No no , Canarsie, Mill basin to an extent and flatlands, Lower Bergen is changing rapidly too