The night ‘The Cigar’ was snuffed out

[CabriniGreen]

Good stuff my man, but I've read a few places that they bungled some shipments, and lost the Colombians trust...I forget the guys name, but I think they kidnapped him...

Riina and Escobar basically had very similar ideologies, went to war with the State/ Country....

[CabriniGreen]

Whatever happened to Medillin, it didnt seem to affect these peoples contacts..... they had powdered Milk, Cattle, and wig companies to import the stuff....

I cant remember where I read it, but there are hundreds of cocaine wholesaler/ brokers based in Venezuela....



The most intriguing of the dozens Cuntrera-Caruana enterprises was a cattle-breeding company on an extended ranch in the state of Barinas, close to the Colombian border. It had its own private airstrip. A special task-force of the Venezuelan intelligence-service DISIP looked at this farm called Ganaderia Rio Zapa, established in 1971. (49) The shareholders of the firm represented the creme-de-la-creme of Mafia heroin-movers in those days:

* Salvatore 'Cicchiteddu' Greco, the former head of the overall Commission of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra, and one of the pioneers in the international heroin trade (50);
* Nick Rizzuto, a lieutenant in the Montreal-based Cotroni Family, but highly independent and in fact subordinate to the Sicilian Mafia (i.e. Cuntrera-Caruana);
* Antonio Napoli, a high-ranking made member of the New York Gambino Family and 'the biggest mover of junk to the United States' (51);
* John Gambino, a relative of Carlo Gambino and boss of the Sicilian faction of the New York Gambino Family (52);
* Brothers Angelo and Francesco Mongiovì, figure-heads of the Cuntreras in Caracas and Italy's financial centre Milan. According to a DEA report, Angelo's son Nino Mongiovì married Paolo Cuntrera's daughter and was the 'super manager for drugs of all kinds passing through Miami'

[CabriniGreen]

On Rastelli....

It's entirely possible he was one of the politically astute types, not the Major earning- businessmen types...

And it's possible Galantes murder was a family matter, but if true, there was a tremendous amount of Gambino involvement for an INTERNAL Bonnano matter.. Ditto with the 3 capos murders..

As a contrast, when Gotti hit Castellano, there was no Massino crew shooters, or crash car men, they didnt use his social club.... and they certainly didnt go " Report" to anyone afterwards.... hell, Gravano and DeCicco basically said it was Gottis problem, so HIS crew did the work, the heavylifting..... THEY didnt even provide shooters or crash cars......

[CabriniGreen]

Whatever happened to Medillin, it didnt seem to affect these peoples contacts..... they had powdered Milk, Cattle, and wig companies to import the stuff....

I cant remember where I read it, but there are hundreds of cocaine wholesaler/ brokers based in Venezuela....



The most intriguing of the dozens Cuntrera-Caruana enterprises was a cattle-breeding company on an extended ranch in the state of Barinas, close to the Colombian border. It had its own private airstrip. A special task-force of the Venezuelan intelligence-service DISIP looked at this farm called Ganaderia Rio Zapa, established in 1971. (49) The shareholders of the firm represented the creme-de-la-creme of Mafia heroin-movers in those days:

* Salvatore 'Cicchiteddu' Greco, the former head of the overall Commission of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra, and one of the pioneers in the international heroin trade (50);
* Nick Rizzuto, a lieutenant in the Montreal-based Cotroni Family, but highly independent and in fact subordinate to the Sicilian Mafia (i.e. Cuntrera-Caruana);
* Antonio Napoli, a high-ranking made member of the New York Gambino Family and 'the biggest mover of junk to the United States' (51);
* John Gambino, a relative of Carlo Gambino and boss of the Sicilian faction of the New York Gambino Family (52);
* Brothers Angelo and Francesco Mongiovì, figure-heads of the Cuntreras in Caracas and Italy's financial centre Milan. According to a DEA report, Angelo's son Nino Mongiovì married Paolo Cuntrera's daughter and was the 'super manager for drugs of all kinds passing through Miami'

The difference in price is mostly negligible... if its 2000 a ki in Colombis, it might have been 5 in Venezuela....

[Pogo The Clown]

Jamaican gangs, known as posses, are now dominating the American drug trade, with more than 10,000 members trafficking drugs in 20 states. According to Justice Department officials, they are as disciplined as they are violent. Torture and maiming are posse trademarks, and posse gunmen are said to prefer shooting their victims in public. Sources estimate they have committed 1,400 murders in three and a half years.

Really, like for real? Or is this a troll? Im dead ass seriously asking....

Everybody want go heaven. Nobody want dead. Afraid.


Pogo

[CabriniGreen]

Lol, Huh?

[Wiseguy]

Okay.... I get what you mean.....

They would have had to do what Rizzuto did.... make deals with distributors that they might not be inclined to do business with otherwise....

But its complicated... for example as antimafia points out, MANY groups import coke into Canada, right?
So there isnt really any leverage there if the gangbangrmers in the Wolfpack can go to Mexico and forge thier own connections. NOW, it's about who can move the MOST product, THE FASTEST.....

Essentially, the distributors are empowered, hence the Hells Angel's rise up there.....

The Rizzutos benefited from where they were located, being further up north. New York was always a hub for the Colombians, including the Cali Cartel. The LCN can always form it's own connections for cocaine but you're not going to move it faster, or more of it, than the guys who come from the same place the cocaine does.

Lol, Huh?

Google Marked for Death.

[z23]

I read somewhere a long time ago about the true reason Carmine Galante was shot but can longer remember the source. I appears that he was shot based on an unfortunate and avoidable misunderstanding. In the article I read the table he sat at had a microphone placed under it that transmitted any conversation at the table to a speaker located in the kitchen of the restaurant. It was overheard on the speaker that he was going to get up and leave without paying the bill. They might have overreacted as business was a little slow that week.

Moe Tilden everyone.

Who is Moe Tilden? Was he the one who did the shooting or was he listening to the speaker in the kitchen or both? Who is this Moe?

[Lupara]

If Galante had majority support, which of the 15 or so capos supported him? How come there was no retaliation if the majority of the family was behind him? The way he was betrayed to me it seems he wasn't well liked at all.

[Lupara]

Good stuff my man, but I've read a few places that they bungled some shipments, and lost the Colombians trust...I forget the guys name, but I think they kidnapped him...

Riina and Escobar basically had very similar ideologies, went to war with the State/ Country....

I wonder if they ever been in contact, over the phone ofcourse as both couldn't afford to meet.

[Lupara]

(this bust was 1990, Rinna gets locked up like 92..... in 94, the Caruanas were busted sending 5000 plus kilos to Europe, but through the CALABRIAN clans who put up the money..... I really believe THIS was the start of Calabrian ascendancy... .)

The Caruanas were busted in '98. It was around this time that the 'Ndrangheta supplanted the Sicilians in the drug trade.

[Pogo The Clown]

If Galante had majority support, which of the 15 or so capos supported him? How come there was no retaliation if the majority of the family was behind him? The way he was betrayed to me it seems he wasn't well liked at all.

Mike Sabella, Frank Lupo, Vito DeFilippo, James Galante, Matteo Valvo, Mike Zaffarano, Angelo Presenzano and Angelo Salvo were all demoted as Capos in the period immediately following Galante's murder. Plus of course UnderBoss Nicky Marangello. I suspect most of their demotions were due to their support of Galante.

From what Lefty told Pistone, Marangello and Sabella were also supposed to get hit for their support of Galante but ended up getting a pass and were shelved instead. I suspect Presenzano and James Galante were also supporters since they were related to Galante. DeFilippo and Zaffarano were members of Galante's Crew when he was Capo in the 50s so they were likely Galante loyalists as well.


Pogo

[Lupara]

If Galante had majority support, which of the 15 or so capos supported him? How come there was no retaliation if the majority of the family was behind him? The way he was betrayed to me it seems he wasn't well liked at all.

Mike Sabella, Frank Lupo, Vito DeFilippo, James Galante, Matteo Valvo, Mike Zaffarano, Angelo Presenzano and Angelo Salvo were all demoted as Capos in the period immediately following Galante's murder. Plus of course UnderBoss Nicky Marangello. I suspect most of their demotions were due to their support of Galante.

From what Lefty told Pistone, Marangello and Sabella were also supposed to get hit for their support of Galante but ended up getting a pass and were shelved instead. I suspect Presenzano and James Galante were also supporters since they were related to Galante. DeFilippo and Zaffarano were members of Galante's Crew when he was Capo in the 50s so they were likely Galante loyalists as well.


Pogo

Thanks. [emoji2]

[CabriniGreen]

(this bust was 1990, Rinna gets locked up like 92..... in 94, the Caruanas were busted sending 5000 plus kilos to Europe, but through the CALABRIAN clans who put up the money..... I really believe THIS was the start of Calabrian ascendancy... .)

The Caruanas were busted in '98. It was around this time that the 'Ndrangheta supplanted the Sicilians in the drug trade.

I was referring to a bust in 1994, for over 5000 kilos, that a consortium of Ndrangheta families had financed...

It's part of what made the whole Canada thing intriguing...... The Caruanas had been dealing with the Calabrians for awhile, but as we see today, the Calabrians are ALL OVER South America with thier own connections, they didnt NEED to go through the Caruanas- Cuntreras anymore...

[CabriniGreen]

Okay.... I get what you mean.....

They would have had to do what Rizzuto did.... make deals with distributors that they might not be inclined to do business with otherwise....

But its complicated... for example as antimafia points out, MANY groups import coke into Canada, right?
So there isnt really any leverage there if the gangbangrmers in the Wolfpack can go to Mexico and forge thier own connections. NOW, it's about who can move the MOST product, THE FASTEST.....

Essentially, the distributors are empowered, hence the Hells Angel's rise up there.....

The Rizzutos benefited from where they were located, being further up north. New York was always a hub for the Colombians, including the Cali Cartel. The LCN can always form it's own connections for cocaine but you're not going to move it faster, or more of it, than the guys who come from the same place the cocaine does.

Lol, Huh?

Google Marked for Death.

Actually, my post was to illustrate that the Rizzutos benefited from being in South America, and this DOES or did give them the same level contacts as the DTOs.

They JUST busted ANOTHER Calabrian embedded in Brazil.... another cocaine broker....

The Colombians sent operatives to NY. That's what they had to do, if not, then they most likely would have been dealing with Italian- mafia brokers.... but these guys would HAVE to go to Colombia, or SOMEWHERE in South America for such connections. At the very least for the first introductions....

This is true of EVERY criminal group without exception. Albanians go to Colombia, Italians go everywhere in South America, the Iranian gangs in the Wolfpack go to Mexico..., either that, or control the point of entry.....



Like, Wiseguy, the Caruana- Cuntreras- Rizzutos were essentially the premier DTO at the time, in mafia terms,
more actual reach to the markets than the Colombians, even though the Colombians controlled the product....

They could tap into America and Europe, broker coke AND heroin, and had more diverse and sophisticated onnections for laundering money.