The night ‘The Cigar’ was snuffed out

[willychichi]

The night ‘The Cigar’ was snuffed out

It’s been 40 years since Carmine “The Cigar” Galante’s final stogie was extinguished — with lead. His ultimo pasto was a midday bite with buddies and bodyguards on the patio at Joe and Mary’s, a humble Italian joint on Knickerbocker Ave. in Bushwick. A kill team’s ambush ended his meal and his life on July 12, 1979. Two companions also were gunned down.

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[Super]

Carmine was a true gangster the family should of stuck with him a legend.

[FriendofFamily]

Carmine was a true gangster the family should of stuck with him a legend.

He was too greedy and wouldn't share and he needed to go...

[Super]

Was Phil a better boss I don't think so. Greedy maybe more greedy than big Paul I don't think so. Links to Canada Italy and all over the US. A true power house imo.

[thekiduknow]

As connected as he was, his murder was sanctioned by the other families for trying to corner the heroin market in NY if I recall correctly.

[Super]

That's what I read also . Big Paul was seen meeting Sal Catalano some time after the hit so natural to think the gambinos benefited , I have not heard of any of the other family's directly benefiting certainly weakens the bonannos. Read that persico vetoed the hit.

[JCB1977]

Great article Chichi! Thanks for posting

[bert]

I think he was killed because he wanted to be boss whether everyone else agreed or not.

[HairyKnuckles]

I think he was killed because he wanted to be boss whether everyone else agreed or not.

I think so too. It was a result of a power struggle Galante lost. The other Families backed Rastelli. Persico (as another poster said) was in prison and not boss yet so he could not have vetoed anything. I believe heroin had less to do with his killing than what media makes it out to be or what people in general believe.

[CabriniGreen]

I think he was killed because he wanted to be boss whether everyone else agreed or not.

I think so too. It was a result of a power struggle Galante lost. The other Families backed Rastelli. Persico (as another poster said) was in prison and not boss yet so he could not have vetoed anything. I believe heroin had less to do with his killing than what media makes it out to be or what people in general believe.

Serious question here....

You really believe Castellano cared at all about Rastelli?

I think the Commision backed the Sicilians in control of the new infrastructure of the heroin trade, and their allies amongst the families.... mainly the Gambinos..

They got the Genovese on tape saying they basically could care less about Rastelli..

Persico backed Galante, and he WAS the power in that family by that point.... otherwise who are talking about, Dibella? Langella?

Vic Amuso imo is greatly misunderstood.... but at this point I think they, the Luchesses probably would have done what the Genovese did, maybe......

Chin was against drugs mainly because his family wasnt controlling it anymore, it shifted from Genovese Lucheese dominance to Gambino- Bonnano dominance...

Let's discuss, not argue...

[Pogo The Clown]

It was not about drugs. You are obsessed with that. It was because Galante forced his way in as top guy in the family without permission. There were already plans to kill Galante years before it eventually happened.


Pogo

[bert]

I think they backed Rastelli over Galante, and they did not want Galante doing whatever he wanted. Gigante being against drugs was due to him having tons of other things going for him, and a big shift away from the drug trade. Castellano must have backed Galante being killed, since the first place the shooter went was the Ravenite, where a bunch of captains were waiting for him. The surveillance tape was used at the trial, I forget the shooters name.

Cabrini, what tape is it where the Genovese Family is saying they don't care about Rastelli? I never got to see that one.

[z23]

I read somewhere a long time ago about the true reason Carmine Galante was shot but can longer remember the source. I appears that he was shot based on an unfortunate and avoidable misunderstanding. In the article I read the table he sat at had a microphone placed under it that transmitted any conversation at the table to a speaker located in the kitchen of the restaurant. It was overheard on the speaker that he was going to get up and leave without paying the bill. They might have overreacted as business was a little slow that week.

[Cacuzza]

I read somewhere a long time ago about the true reason Carmine Galante was shot but can longer remember the source. I appears that he was shot based on an unfortunate and avoidable misunderstanding. In the article I read the table he sat at had a microphone placed under it that transmitted any conversation at the table to a speaker located in the kitchen of the restaurant. It was overheard on the speaker that he was going to get up and leave without paying the bill. They might have overreacted as business was a little slow that week.

Boy that must have been some pasta asciutta they had over there. Benedica!

[CabriniGreen]

I think they backed Rastelli over Galante, and they did not want Galante doing whatever he wanted. Gigante being against drugs was due to him having tons of other things going for him, and a big shift away from the drug trade. Castellano must have backed Galante being killed, since the first place the shooter went was the Ravenite, where a bunch of captains were waiting for him. The surveillance tape was used at the trial, I forget the shooters name.

Cabrini, what tape is it where the Genovese Family is saying they don't care about Rastelli? I never got to see that one.

I've read it multiple places, like here.... page 278 of Raabs Five Families.....

Of course the Genovese and Luchesses, the most union entrenched families, were against it. Ironic, considering these families were at the forefront of the trafficking in the first place.



Of course Castellano backed Galante getting killed, I DO NOT believe he did it because he was Pro- Rastelli. Rather he was accommodating his Sicilian cousins.

He met with Catalano, the drug guy, not Rastellis guy, Massino. And I suspect it was about the " Rent " payments coming to HIM Exclusivly...


Even Massino, Rastellis own protege wasnt really impressed with him.... he was locked up a lot....


And you guys are starting to bug me with this I'm obsessed with drugs. I'm obsessed with ORGANIZED CRIME!!

How can you possibly follow OC seriously and NOT keep up with drug trade?

I got burned twice this decade..... I didnt believe the Mexicans surpassed the Colombians, and I REALLY didnt buy ANY group surpassing LCN in ITALY, no less. So I
was slow to accept the Calabrians dominance. This dominance is due to nothing but cocaine. So now I pay attention to the cocaine....

It's actually very simple reasoning.... if Contruction racketeering or Agro- Racketeering or ANY white collar activity was generating the type of activity worldwide... I would be on here watching all the Concrete companies, talking about the Calabrians buying concrete companies all over the world. Or whatever it may be, garbage, gambling, whatever....

If the Calabrese, or Sinaloan gangsters were setting up
shop all over the world with a GAMBLING syndicate, I could understand the point better....

I've always said I'm into large operations, and the intrigues. I find the gas tax racket, garbage cartel, concrete club, Phone cramming, Garment Center racketeering, ( this is actually one thing that gives me pause when looking at the Naples clans..) Romano and his Stock Market stuff, all these things JUST as interesting, as they are large criminal operations, but these today are few and far in between.

We cant TODAY, speak of a Concrete or Garbage CARTEL, like it was in the 80s... but we can discover new things about contemporary Italian cartels.

Shit, we can discuss Victor Colleti and his Medicaid racketeering. I find that fascinating, as they dole out about a half trillion a year... I has to have a ton of growth potential.....


Maybe that Florida cream thing comes the closest to replicating that type of high level racketeering.

@Pogo

So you think the GQ article was off? That recently most of the big money cases Increasingly involve narcotics?


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