Pogo The Clown wrote:I'm pretty sure they have the most hits total out of any family in the last 20-25 years. I count 9 or 10 murders since 1995 alone. I don't think any other familt reaches that.
No kidding? I figured one or more of the New York families might have more total hits, since they're so much bigger. It's pretty amazing that Philly racked up more than any one of them even though it is much smaller.
Anyway it looks like the "America's most violent crime family" cliche really is true after all.
I'm pretty sure they have the record for the last 20-25 years at least. I'm trying to think of the hits in the NY families over the last 20 years and I'm not reaching Philly's total. Since 2000 alone Philly has had 5 murders.
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OK going over it in my head these are the number of hits I've got from 2000-present.
Philly - 5
Genovese - 3 or 4
Bonanno - 3 (Not counting anything from Montreal which may or may not be connected to them)
Gambino - I believe 2
Lucchese - 2 (One of them unsanctioned)
Colombo - 0 (One attempted murder)
Chicago - 2
Any additions or corrections welcome.
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Pogo The Clown wrote:I have Frank Sindone as being made in 1969 with his sponsor being Angelo Bruno himself. Snuffy Iannarella was also made in that ceremony with Phil Testa as his sponsor. I believe you discovered this info B.
Thanks for the extra murders guy's. So that is at least 14 sanctioned murders in a 20 year period. So yeah the Gentle Don stuff is crap. Bruno was just as violent as Scarfo though he seemed a bit more selective about who got killed. Looks like Philly has always been the most violent family from the 60s onwards.
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Ahhh, thanks for remembering that. I had 1969 in my head but was second guessing myself.
One of those things that still bugs me are the five guys who Lulu Esposito proposed in the mid 60's who got vetoed for being too young. What is "too young" for a family that habitually made guys in their early-to-mid 20's (and younger in the old days)? And were they guys that we would know later? By the way, I'm thinking
As for hits, I would bet there are at least a few more from the 60's and 70's that are overlooked or unreported. They had associates all over the place and someone was bound to have pushed the wrong buttons.
B. wrote:One of those things that still bugs me are the five guys who Lulu Esposito proposed in the mid 60's who got vetoed for being too young.
Were you ever able to find a relation between this Eposito and the later Esposito's (Raymond and Eric) that were made?
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B. wrote:One of those things that still bugs me are the five guys who Lulu Esposito proposed in the mid 60's who got vetoed for being too young.
Were you ever able to find a relation between this Eposito and the later Esposito's (Raymond and Eric) that were made?
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I haven't been able to find a link between any of them. My gut feeling is that there is a relation somewhere between at least a couple of them but not direct i.e. father/son, grandson, uncle/nephew or anything.
Lulu Esposito was never more than a soldier but was one of the more active guys in his day. Had a lot going on and seems to have had a lot of clout for a soldier.
It has always been said that the mob has a rule against members and associates calling the police for any reason, but in the early 1950s Nick Piccolo called the police to report a burglar at Piccolo's 500 Club. The burglar was arrested by police. Several years later Piccolo would be promoted to capo, so it didn't affect his standing in the organization.
Lefty Ruggiero filed a police report when his rental car was stolen (really repossed by the Feds).
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According to Lenehan, Nicholas "Turk" Cifelli once called the cops to break up a fight (I think it was a fight) and that put the kaboosh on him getting made for several years. He was of course later made in that Freselone ceremony.
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Pogo The Clown wrote:According to Lenehan, Nicholas "Turk" Cifelli once called the cops to break up a fight (I think it was a fight) and that put the kaboosh on him getting made for several years. He was of course later made in that Feselone ceremony.
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Yeah, I'd actually take his word on that kind of stuff. Not who the Genovese hierarchy was in 1974, but little things that went around those NJ neighborhoods. It would make some sense as Cifelli was an associate for many years and didn't get made until he was quite a bit older.
toto wrote:According to Buscetta in Sicily they changed the rules to allow calling the cops if your car was stolen.
Gotta love these self serving rules.
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