Montreal's bosses

[B.]

I don't mean that titles mean nothing up there or that power was fluid, only that there are different ways to view the organization up there, most if not all of it coming from the outside.

The Rizzutos' ties appear to go deeper with the Bonanno family than just a chance meeting upon immigrating to Canada. Nick Rizzuto's father Vito who was killed in NYC in the 1930s, as well as Calogero Renda, may have been connected to the Bonanno family in NYC. Beyond the Rizzutos, it might be accurate to say that Cattolica Eraclea in general appears to have had a deep tie-in to the Bonannos when you look at members from there living in both Canada and the NYC area.

[CabriniGreen]

I dont think Montagna would have taken the capo title from Nick. How are you Acting boss, and then make yourself a capo?

[scagghiuni]

I dont think Montagna would have taken the capo title from Nick. How are you Acting boss, and then make yourself a capo?

he was deported and he had to live many years in montreal so probably the bonannos said rizzuto to let the captain title to him and he refused

[CabriniGreen]

I dont agree....

If Sciascia could be a capo of a Montreal based crew... from New York... For years after being deported..

Then Montagna could have ran New York from Montreal, all he would have needed was a messenger, and trusted guys in key positions in NY......

[CabriniGreen]

And he wouldnt take the capo title, imo....

you appoint one of the Arcuris, someone from Canada close and loyal to you...

And in NY, maybe you move some guys around, put a trusted eyes and ears in a position of authority...

Make sure you have spies inside the key crews.....

Either this was a directive collectively decided upon by the Bonnano leadership, or it was Montagnas own initiative, I actually think he hot up there.... got wind of the situation, and hot ideas in his head...

[Lupara]

His son and nephew, plus the son of Vito's close friend have been named as upcoming leaders in Montreal

Are you referring to Calogero Renda?

[Pogo The Clown]

- Luigi Greco likely an acting captain or otherwise in a defacto leadership role under Cotroni in the 1960s. Possibly continued in some capacity until his late 1972

Greco was named as a Capo in the DeCavalcante tapes from the 1960s. I don't remember if they specified Acting or not.


Pogo

[chin_gigante]

Re. Sciascia, wasn't he mentioned as being on a panel with Joey Massino during the early 1980s to help Sally Ferrugia run the family? If that is the case then that would be indicative of a rough time for Sciascia to become captain of Montreal as it's quite rare for a guy who isn't at least a capo to get bumped up to a panel or committee position

[Homerthedog]

B. Sorry to imply you talked about the fluidity stuff that was all me referencing poorly your comments. My point was that Montreal doesn't conform to the usual structures that we see in New York. My first post described the official leadership history in Montreal before 1999 as I saw it develop. The reality was that Galante left two factions with Greco serving as Cotroni's underboss and head of the Sicilian faction. Apparently Nick Rizzuto stepped up and took over the Sicilian faction after Greco and began doing his own thing much to Vic the egg's dismay. From what I read Cotroni wanted New York to intervene on his behalf but because of their own issues they didn't. I guess also because Nick was a money maker too. In short the Rizzutos were already the rulers of Montreal before any formal recognition from New York occurred. Of course I may be way off here in my assessment, after all you guys have more knowledge depth than I have.

[scagghiuni]

By the time of Sciascia's murder in 1999, the Rizzuto Family had become very powerful to the point it may have surpassed it's parent organization the Bonannos, and quit sending tribute down to New York, possibly as a consequence of George from Canada's murder.

i don't think so, the new york bonanno's had 130 made members, the rizzuto's 20

[Homerthedog]

That is true. But power, even in the mob, can't be measured in raw numbers. Logistically it would have been difficult to wage a war against Montreal. Also Montreal's numbers can include the wealth and firepower of numerous allies in North America and Europe. I doubt anybody would have supported any effort by the bonannos that would lead to a disruption of the Rizzuto drug network.

[Lupara]

That is true. But power, even in the mob, can't be measured in raw numbers. Logistically it would have been difficult to wage a war against Montreal. Also Montreal's numbers can include the wealth and firepower of numerous allies in North America and Europe. I doubt anybody would have supported any effort by the bonannos that would lead to a disruption of the Rizzuto drug network.

I think that drug network, especially nowadays, is way overblown. The Bonannos were never dependent on the Rizzutos for drugs. There were various networks, and Montreal was just one of those instruments. In the end all that matters is the Mafia hierarchy and it's rules and politics that keep it together. Nobody is going to wage war with each other without a non-coordinated political effort, which includes a lot of okay's. The only real wars were those of the 1930s New York and the 1980s Sicily and even those were just internal power struggles.

The allies the Rizzutos had would still obey to the rules and stay away from interfering. The Rizzutos were ultimately subservient to the Bonannos. When Montagna decided to install a new regime, nobody interfered because they knew it was an internal family matter. I think nobody saw it coming that a French Canadian would have the balls to kill a member of the mob. But he has been paying the price for it and is now isolated.

[SonnyBlackstein]

The Rizzutos were ultimately subservient to the Bonannos. When Montagna decided to install a new regime....

He was killed.
I think that’s the opposite of ‘subservience’.

[Lupara]

The Rizzutos were ultimately subservient to the Bonannos. When Montagna decided to install a new regime....

He was killed.
I think that’s the opposite of ‘subservience’.

No need to cut short the sentence when it was self explanatory.

Montagna wasn't killed by the Rizzutos. He was killed by one of his accomplices who felt threathened by him. Someone not in the mob bound by the rules an inductee would've agreed to even though he wil pay the same consequences. Nobody within the mob itself interfered with his attempt to reorganize the crew because he was entitled to do so according to the rules.

The Rizzutos were part of a crew that was in turn part of the Bonannos, which in effect would make them subservient, despite their own opinion.

[CabriniGreen]

? ......

No one from the mob retaliated.....