Salvatore Scoppa shot in Laval

[Moscone65]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

[Frank]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

[Moscone65]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

[Frank]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

[Moscone65]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

No they have their own faction. They previously worked closely with the rizzutos but now are enemies. The old cotroni faction has guys like Francesco cotroni, the arcuri bros, ect. Perhaps they work with each other closely, ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I’m not sure. I am more familiar with Ontario relations than Quebec.

[Frank]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

No they have their own faction. They previously worked closely with the rizzutos but now are enemies. The old cotroni faction has guys like Francesco cotroni, the arcuri bros, ect. Perhaps they work with each other closely, ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I’m not sure. I am more familiar with Ontario relations than Quebec.

Thank I understand what you are saying. Canada seems like it has always been hard to know who was allied with who.

[Moscone65]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

No they have their own faction. They previously worked closely with the rizzutos but now are enemies. The old cotroni faction has guys like Francesco cotroni, the arcuri bros, ect. Perhaps they work with each other closely, ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I’m not sure. I am more familiar with Ontario relations than Quebec.

Thank I understand what you are saying. Canada seems like it has always been hard to know who was allied with who.

Definitely, many small but powerful factions all around. Even though these factions don’t have many made members, to me Canada feels like the outfit in the sense that it is usually pretty tough to get fully made, and therefore you have many associates in their 40’s-50’s around that are huge earners, with their own little crews of hang arounds and younger guys (late 20’s-30’s).

[Lupara]

maybe the answer of the rizzuto's for the pat musitano attempted murder

Don't think it's related. Salvatore Scoppa had been marked for years now. He was reportedly both at odds with Sollecito and his own brother Andrea.

[Lupara]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

No they have their own faction. They previously worked closely with the rizzutos but now are enemies. The old cotroni faction has guys like Francesco cotroni, the arcuri bros, ect. Perhaps they work with each other closely, ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I’m not sure. I am more familiar with Ontario relations than Quebec.

Thank I understand what you are saying. Canada seems like it has always been hard to know who was allied with who.

Definitely, many small but powerful factions all around. Even though these factions don’t have many made members, to me Canada feels like the outfit in the sense that it is usually pretty tough to get fully made, and therefore you have many associates in their 40’s-50’s around that are huge earners, with their own little crews of hang arounds and younger guys (late 20’s-30’s).

Yeah, I'm not sure Salvarore was made. If he was, by who?

His brother is according to Renaud a made member. Yet again I wonder, if they are not alligned with the Rizzuto group, by who's admission? There's no real evidence they are Bonannos, but if they are not with the Rizzuto group, who may now have splintered from the Bonannos although even that is still quite uncertain, than the latter group remains the only viable possibility.

[Moscone65]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

No they have their own faction. They previously worked closely with the rizzutos but now are enemies. The old cotroni faction has guys like Francesco cotroni, the arcuri bros, ect. Perhaps they work with each other closely, ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I’m not sure. I am more familiar with Ontario relations than Quebec.

Thank I understand what you are saying. Canada seems like it has always been hard to know who was allied with who.

Definitely, many small but powerful factions all around. Even though these factions don’t have many made members, to me Canada feels like the outfit in the sense that it is usually pretty tough to get fully made, and therefore you have many associates in their 40’s-50’s around that are huge earners, with their own little crews of hang arounds and younger guys (late 20’s-30’s).

Yeah, I'm not sure Salvarore was made. If he was, by who?

His brother is according to Renaud a made member. Yet again I wonder, if they are not alligned with the Rizzuto group, by who's admission? There's no real evidence they are Bonannos, but if they are not with the Rizzuto group, who may now have splintered from the Bonannos although even that is still quite uncertain, than the latter group remains the only viable possibility.

I think it’s possible that they were made/with the rizzutosbecause one of the scoppas I can’t remember which one and Danny Degregorio (a scoppa associate) went to attack nino brown who owed money to the rizzutos, which it was assumed they might have been sent (by the rizzutos). After Vito died they had a falling out with the rizzutos as they didn’t like the new leadership which was the sollecito’s.

[Lupara]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

No they have their own faction. They previously worked closely with the rizzutos but now are enemies. The old cotroni faction has guys like Francesco cotroni, the arcuri bros, ect. Perhaps they work with each other closely, ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I’m not sure. I am more familiar with Ontario relations than Quebec.

Thank I understand what you are saying. Canada seems like it has always been hard to know who was allied with who.

Definitely, many small but powerful factions all around. Even though these factions don’t have many made members, to me Canada feels like the outfit in the sense that it is usually pretty tough to get fully made, and therefore you have many associates in their 40’s-50’s around that are huge earners, with their own little crews of hang arounds and younger guys (late 20’s-30’s).

Yeah, I'm not sure Salvarore was made. If he was, by who?

His brother is according to Renaud a made member. Yet again I wonder, if they are not alligned with the Rizzuto group, by who's admission? There's no real evidence they are Bonannos, but if they are not with the Rizzuto group, who may now have splintered from the Bonannos although even that is still quite uncertain, than the latter group remains the only viable possibility.

I think it’s possible that they were made/with the rizzutosbecause one of the scoppas I can’t remember which one and Danny Degregorio (a scoppa associate) went to attack nino brown who owed money to the rizzutos, which it was assumed they might have been sent (by the rizzutos). After Vito died they had a falling out with the rizzutos as they didn’t like the new leadership which was the sollecito’s.

Then Vito must've been busy with induction ceremonies during his short-lived resurgance as boss as I doubt both of them would've been made pre-2004 not to mention during the turbulent period thereafter. Perhaps the Scoppas were inducted by Montagna.

[Moscone65]

Remember when the scoppas were calling the new rizzuto leadership the grappa table

What did they mean by that

They were trying to infer that they were drunks and made bad decisions (drinking grappa at the table together and discussing business)

Thanks. It sounded like they had no respect for the new Rizzuto leadership. Is the Scoppa faction the old Cotroni faction??

No they have their own faction. They previously worked closely with the rizzutos but now are enemies. The old cotroni faction has guys like Francesco cotroni, the arcuri bros, ect. Perhaps they work with each other closely, ie the enemy of my enemy is my friend but I’m not sure. I am more familiar with Ontario relations than Quebec.

Thank I understand what you are saying. Canada seems like it has always been hard to know who was allied with who.

Definitely, many small but powerful factions all around. Even though these factions don’t have many made members, to me Canada feels like the outfit in the sense that it is usually pretty tough to get fully made, and therefore you have many associates in their 40’s-50’s around that are huge earners, with their own little crews of hang arounds and younger guys (late 20’s-30’s).

Yeah, I'm not sure Salvarore was made. If he was, by who?

His brother is according to Renaud a made member. Yet again I wonder, if they are not alligned with the Rizzuto group, by who's admission? There's no real evidence they are Bonannos, but if they are not with the Rizzuto group, who may now have splintered from the Bonannos although even that is still quite uncertain, than the latter group remains the only viable possibility.

I think it’s possible that they were made/with the rizzutosbecause one of the scoppas I can’t remember which one and Danny Degregorio (a scoppa associate) went to attack nino brown who owed money to the rizzutos, which it was assumed they might have been sent (by the rizzutos). After Vito died they had a falling out with the rizzutos as they didn’t like the new leadership which was the sollecito’s.

Then Vito must've been busy with induction ceremonies during his short-lived resurgance as boss as I doubt both of them would've been made pre-2004 not to mention during the turbulent period thereafter. Perhaps the Scoppas were inducted by Montagna.

I don’t think Salvatore was made but I could be wrong, Andrea more than likely was made IMO.

[Moscone65]

They could have been made by Montagna but I think it’s more likely that andrea got brought in by Vito or nick de.

[Moscone65]

*nick sr

[scagghiuni]

Don't think it's related. Salvatore Scoppa had been marked for years now.

same pat musitano