How does NYC families divide up the city?

[Flushing]

Geography still plays s role, especially considering each if the 3 Brooklyn Luke crews are named after specific geographic locations: McDonald Ave, canarsie, and 19th hole. Obviously the 19th hole us gone and canarsie is an s-hole, but the lineage is there. The canarsie crew went east. The 19th hole crew still exists in South BK.

The Bronx Luke's were based mainly in central, as mentioned above. Specifically two Capo's : Mike Salerno (willismsbridge, Wakefield). And another in Westchester square under the 6 train and close to Hunts point.

Crea set up on Bronx river road just north if Woodlawn.

Going way back , the Luke's were in the southern blocks of east Harlem. They were indirect descendents if the marello 108th street crew.

Another interesting geographic take is the bonannos Bushwick presence. That crew lineage still exists just north in ridgewood and maspeth. Bonnanos were all over Greenpoint and bushwick and we're dominant there.

The Genovese had Greenwich village and over the river in Hoboken. That crew was so powerful it could have been it's own family.

Great post. Any other family have a member in the Greenwich Village? Never heard of any. Bonnanos had a bunch of guys in Knickerbocker Village.

Pete DiChiara (Genovese capo) was located in Knickerbocker Village and his club may still be there.

Piney Armone had a powerful crew along with Tommy Agro based around 1st avenue and 10th street in Manhattan. This is near what could be considered a second little italy in the east village. It is still home to Lanza,s, Venieros, De Robertis and russo's. (Luicky Luciano was born near 1st avenue and east 10th street.)

Luke's also had the "the Prince street crew" which obviously was in NOLITA and could now make more cash on a real estate transaction than any drug deal (and they were HUGE into heroin). As I mentioned earlier, Luke crews were very geographically pronounced, more than other families.

Colombos were always geographically confined. Dyker Heights, Marine Park, Gravesend, Sunset Park, and B-hurst. Sonny had his crew in Williamsburg (Graham Avenue) but that was historically Bonanno territory. Colombos were not really dominant in north Bklyn (Bonanno)or Canarsie (Luke, Gambino). They never expanded to the Bronx or Jersey in any pertinent way. They had the 20th avenue crew in bklyn, a chief rival of the Bath Ave boys from the Bonannos (Spero's crew).

[JeremyTheJew]

alphabet village which basically can be called LES if u go by older standards had a lot of early luciano/lansky/siegel guys.

queens is probably equally Gambino / Bonanno areas. any other queens known in other fams?

[Philly d]

Geography still plays s role, especially considering each if the 3 Brooklyn Luke crews are named after specific geographic locations: McDonald Ave, canarsie, and 19th hole. Obviously the 19th hole us gone and canarsie is an s-hole, but the lineage is there. The canarsie crew went east. The 19th hole crew still exists in South BK.

The Bronx Luke's were based mainly in central, as mentioned above. Specifically two Capo's : Mike Salerno (willismsbridge, Wakefield). And another in Westchester square under the 6 train and close to Hunts point.

Crea set up on Bronx river road just north if Woodlawn.

Going way back , the Luke's were in the southern blocks of east Harlem. They were indirect descendents if the marello 108th street crew.

Another interesting geographic take is the bonannos Bushwick presence. That crew lineage still exists just north in ridgewood and maspeth. Bonnanos were all over Greenpoint and bushwick and we're dominant there.

The Genovese had Greenwich village and over the river in Hoboken. That crew was so powerful it could have been it's own family.

Great post. Any other family have a member in the Greenwich Village? Never heard of any. Bonnanos had a bunch of guys in Knickerbocker Village.

Pete DiChiara (Genovese capo) was located in Knickerbocker Village and his club may still be there.

Piney Armone had a powerful crew along with Tommy Agro based around 1st avenue and 10th street in Manhattan. This is near what could be considered a second little italy in the east village. It is still home to Lanza,s, Venieros, De Robertis and russo's. (Luicky Luciano was born near 1st avenue and east 10th street.)

Luke's also had the "the Prince street crew" which obviously was in NOLITA and could now make more cash on a real estate transaction than any drug deal (and they were HUGE into heroin). As I mentioned earlier, Luke crews were very geographically pronounced, more than other families.

Colombos were always geographically confined. Dyker Heights, Marine Park, Gravesend, Sunset Park, and B-hurst. Sonny had his crew in Williamsburg (Graham Avenue) but that was historically Bonanno territory. Colombos were not really dominant in north Bklyn (Bonanno)or Canarsie (Luke, Gambino). They never expanded to the Bronx or Jersey in any pertinent way. They had the 20th avenue crew in bklyn, a chief rival of the Bath Ave boys from the Bonannos (Spero's crew).

Yeah people over look that area in the EV. Lanza's closed by the way. Who else was in the Prince Street crew?

[Philly d]

Geography still plays s role, especially considering each if the 3 Brooklyn Luke crews are named after specific geographic locations: McDonald Ave, canarsie, and 19th hole. Obviously the 19th hole us gone and canarsie is an s-hole, but the lineage is there. The canarsie crew went east. The 19th hole crew still exists in South BK.

The Bronx Luke's were based mainly in central, as mentioned above. Specifically two Capo's : Mike Salerno (willismsbridge, Wakefield). And another in Westchester square under the 6 train and close to Hunts point.

Crea set up on Bronx river road just north if Woodlawn.

Going way back , the Luke's were in the southern blocks of east Harlem. They were indirect descendents if the marello 108th street crew.

Another interesting geographic take is the bonannos Bushwick presence. That crew lineage still exists just north in ridgewood and maspeth. Bonnanos were all over Greenpoint and bushwick and we're dominant there.

The Genovese had Greenwich village and over the river in Hoboken. That crew was so powerful it could have been it's own family.

Great post. Any other family have a member in the Greenwich Village? Never heard of any. Bonnanos had a bunch of guys in Knickerbocker Village.

Thats a good question. I really cant think of any families that were specific to the Village. the 4th ward and little italy are walking distance and had crews from every family there basically, but no one else had crews in greenwich village proper. i wonder what the genesis is? i remember seeing a doc on Vito Genovese a long time ago, and IIRC when he first came to America he moved to Forest Hills (Queens) but hung out in the city where the 'action' was and eventually set up shop in the Village. maybe that has something to do with it, but there were italians in the area (and presumably LCN'ish activity) long before he arrived. i dont think it was ever solely an italian stronghold, but a good number of italians settled there almost like spillover from little italy a few blocks south/east. the borders of the neighborhoods werent as defined back then. you still got some old people who call everything south of 14th street the lower east side and still call the lower east side the 4th ward

knockerbocker village is a very interesting place as well. obviously more known Bonnanos than anyone else, but guys from just about every family (I think basically all but Colombo) grew up and lived there. lot of people still do; generally when you get a place in a building like that you leave feet first, unless you strike it rich. knickerbocker village and al d'arco's old building at 22 Spring have to have the highest concentration of wiseguys under one roof..its really crazy

Greenwich Village did have a small number of Gambino members , mid 70's on Cornelia street between Bleeker and w4th street Guido and Eddie DeCurtis had a social club. Frankie Dapolito was a Gambino captain was also from GV.

Good to see you posting. We traded a few messages a loooong time ago. Besides the Triangle, were there any other Genovese clubs? Just read about Guido & Eddie (and his son).

[Manhattan_]

208 Thompson st. / Panel Club (Tommy Ryan's club) , 101 Thompson st. / (Benny Egg's club) , 225 Sullivan st. / Ralph Gigante's club , 107 Sullivan st, /( Dom the Sailor's club) later used by Eddie the Blonde (Falco) as a club. 14 Bedford st. / was used by Frankie Condo. 1 King st. / (Johnny the Bug) Stoppelli's club. Napoli Notte Café corner of Thompson at W. Houston (aka Angelina's) , 400 club 110 Thompson st. , (aka Bojangles).

[bert]

alphabet village which basically can be called LES if u go by older standards had a lot of early luciano/lansky/siegel guys.

queens is probably equally Gambino / Bonanno areas. any other queens known in other fams?

Jeremy, if you mean avenues A, B, and C when you say "alphabet village" I have always heard it called Alphabet City. No big deal though, I knew what you meant. LES was never used till it became a hipster hangout, before than it was as you said called Lower East Side instead of the abbreviation.

[JeremyTheJew]

alphabet village which basically can be called LES if u go by older standards had a lot of early luciano/lansky/siegel guys.

queens is probably equally Gambino / Bonanno areas. any other queens known in other fams?

Jeremy, if you mean avenues A, B, and C when you say "alphabet village" I have always heard it called Alphabet City. No big deal though, I knew what you meant. LES was never used till it became a hipster hangout, before than it was as you said called Lower East Side instead of the abbreviation.

your 100% correct. alphabet city.
i lived there for a while. back in the thompkins sq park days.

but iv mostly lived in brooklyn but hung out in the LES everyday. Essex and Grand, etc.

but im part of the gangSTA generation

[bert]

alphabet village which basically can be called LES if u go by older standards had a lot of early luciano/lansky/siegel guys.

queens is probably equally Gambino / Bonanno areas. any other queens known in other fams?

Jeremy, if you mean avenues A, B, and C when you say "alphabet village" I have always heard it called Alphabet City. No big deal though, I knew what you meant. LES was never used till it became a hipster hangout, before than it was as you said called Lower East Side instead of the abbreviation.

your 100% correct. alphabet city.
i lived there for a while. back in the thompkins sq park days.

but iv mostly lived in brooklyn but hung out in the LES everyday. Essex and Grand, etc.

but im part of the gangSTA generation

You should look up photos of the area from the 1970's, especially Alphabet City. People were scared to go there. It's changed a lot, landlords starting making money and fixing up all the buildings. It used to look like a war zone after a bombing on some streets. Very unsafe back then too.

[bert]

Some photos of the area back when

http://www.ceiimage.org/alphabet-city-new-york-1970s/

[JeremyTheJew]

alphabet village which basically can be called LES if u go by older standards had a lot of early luciano/lansky/siegel guys.

queens is probably equally Gambino / Bonanno areas. any other queens known in other fams?

Jeremy, if you mean avenues A, B, and C when you say "alphabet village" I have always heard it called Alphabet City. No big deal though, I knew what you meant. LES was never used till it became a hipster hangout, before than it was as you said called Lower East Side instead of the abbreviation.

your 100% correct. alphabet city.
i lived there for a while. back in the thompkins sq park days.

but iv mostly lived in brooklyn but hung out in the LES everyday. Essex and Grand, etc.

but im part of the gangSTA generation

You should look up photos of the area from the 1970's, especially Alphabet City. People were scared to go there. It's changed a lot, landlords starting making money and fixing up all the buildings. It used to look like a war zone after a bombing on some streets. Very unsafe back then too.

when i first got there it was the end of and era basically. Ave D projects are the only ghetto thing left there now. but i use to go around those real small pjs at 5th and C.

we use to say..
ave a your a adict
ave b your a blood
c you smoke crack
d your dead

or similar variations

[JeremyTheJew]

alphabet city use to have single file lines of dope fiends literally circling buildings waiting there turn to buy there drugs

[Philly d]

208 Thompson st. / Panel Club (Tommy Ryan's club) , 101 Thompson st. / (Benny Egg's club) , 225 Sullivan st. / Ralph Gigante's club , 107 Sullivan st, /( Dom the Sailor's club) later used by Eddie the Blonde (Falco) as a club. 14 Bedford st. / was used by Frankie Condo. 1 King st. / (Johnny the Bug) Stoppelli's club. Napoli Notte Café corner of Thompson at W. Houston (aka Angelina's) , 400 club 110 Thompson st. , (aka Bojangles).

I had no idea it was had such a heavy prescence. Now we know why its called the Westside.

[bert]

alphabet city use to have single file lines of dope fiends literally circling buildings waiting there turn to buy there drugs

Ave D was always dangerous, between C and D was historically palace to dump a body or a car, going way back. I have never seen a photo of the lines that I have heard and read about, I did go once to back up a friend who had to buy drugs and it was scary. We were there at night, the only White guys on the block, with 2 sides telling at us to not buy from the other side of the street. "I got the good shit, over here, over here.." Then the other side got mad and said they talked to us first, it's funny now. We were the only people buying that night, at that time. Lucky we didn't hurt or killed.

[JeremyTheJew]

alphabet city use to have single file lines of dope fiends literally circling buildings waiting there turn to buy there drugs

Ave D was always dangerous, between C and D was historically palace to dump a body or a car, going way back. I have never seen a photo of the lines that I have heard and read about, I did go once to back up a friend who had to buy drugs and it was scary. We were there at night, the only White guys on the block, with 2 sides telling at us to not buy from the other side of the street. "I got the good shit, over here, over here.." Then the other side got mad and said they talked to us first, it's funny now. We were the only people buying that night, at that time. Lucky we didn't hurt or killed.

reminds me of the jacob riis building lol

[nowandlater]

I always thought they divided it up with a big tape measure.