John Gotti in northern Illinois?

[DPG]

Quoting one of my favorite movies Tequila Sunrise:

'Just show me that street one time.'

[stubbs]

During the 1950's the Outfit was supplied primarily by the New York Mob, with exception of some situations where the Florida faction delivered, and after that the Chicago boys distributed the product to all Midwestern cities of secondary importance, such as Omaha, Tulsa, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Iowa, Los Angeles, Houston, Denver and sometimes even in St. Louis but I dont have Rockford anywhere. This lasted until Giancana became the boss who in turn began creating his own or the Outfit's secondary connections or drug routes. During the 1960's the drug route around the Mexico border was mainly controlled by the Outfit, the Gambinos and the Bonannos

While Accardo was the boss during the late 1940s and early 50's, he mingled around many dope peddlers but when they got caught by the cops and his name was brought up, Accardo ordered everyone to be eliminated and thats why during the early 1970s when he became the top boss, he was completely against it. You see during the 70s a lot of guys were killed, over 100 i think, because of various reasons and one of those was narcotics. So I hardly believe that anyone openly dealt with it while guys like Accardo, Cerone and Alex were still alive and at the top...I didnt mention Aiuppa on purpose since according to one document, at first he stayed open minded (we dont know for how long) but later allegedly changed his mind and was also against it. So its possible that during the late 1980s Carlisi and DiFronzo kept more than few secrets from the old man Accardo, since by that time Aiuppa and Cerone were in jail while Alex was also considered an old man and stayed out of the day-to-day business decisions

Just curious, do you have any sources about The Outfit and Houston? Did you read that in a book somewhere?

[Villain]

During the 1950's the Outfit was supplied primarily by the New York Mob, with exception of some situations where the Florida faction delivered, and after that the Chicago boys distributed the product to all Midwestern cities of secondary importance, such as Omaha, Tulsa, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Iowa, Los Angeles, Houston, Denver and sometimes even in St. Louis but I dont have Rockford anywhere. This lasted until Giancana became the boss who in turn began creating his own or the Outfit's secondary connections or drug routes. During the 1960's the drug route around the Mexico border was mainly controlled by the Outfit, the Gambinos and the Bonannos

While Accardo was the boss during the late 1940s and early 50's, he mingled around many dope peddlers but when they got caught by the cops and his name was brought up, Accardo ordered everyone to be eliminated and thats why during the early 1970s when he became the top boss, he was completely against it. You see during the 70s a lot of guys were killed, over 100 i think, because of various reasons and one of those was narcotics. So I hardly believe that anyone openly dealt with it while guys like Accardo, Cerone and Alex were still alive and at the top...I didnt mention Aiuppa on purpose since according to one document, at first he stayed open minded (we dont know for how long) but later allegedly changed his mind and was also against it. So its possible that during the late 1980s Carlisi and DiFronzo kept more than few secrets from the old man Accardo, since by that time Aiuppa and Cerone were in jail while Alex was also considered an old man and stayed out of the day-to-day business decisions

Just curious, do you have any sources about The Outfit and Houston? Did you read that in a book somewhere?

Nope but instead you can find info in the FBN files.

In fact if you want to hear more about Houston and the Outfit, during the late 1950s North Side member Gerald Covelli and one of his associates Max Olshon, who in turn had connections in that area, transported stolen cars from Chicago and Springfield, Illinois to Houston, Texas, while crossing state lines which was a federal crime, and once the cars reached their destination, they were smuggled into Mexico and Guatemala for resale.

[CabriniGreen]

This one here...



http://m.espresso.repubblica.it/attuali ... ef=RHRR-BE

[quote=Those U.S. numbers (which have been on the FBI website for years) refer to members and associates, while the figures for Palermo appear to refer to members alone. It stands to reason there are more Sicilian Mafia members and associates in Sicily than the U.S. Poor interpretation of the data by the writer of the article.

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I mean... for sure the numbers are off, the membership numbers are ALWAYS off, just like the estimates of the revenue from the operations....

No, what caught my eye was two things.....
1. That the transatlantic operations, were NEVER completely interrupted.....

2. That there was an attempt to reorganize this in 2001, and that it was an American initiative....

It's interesting for the same reasons Cavita outlines..... You could EASILY replace Zammuto with Cali or the Genovese guy, Federici. It's a question in itself as to WHY they would get involved at all...

[CabriniGreen]

@Wiseguy....
"Generally speaking, drugs are the biggest money maker for organized crime. And while it's been one of the biggest for the American LCN, gambling has always been the biggest. At least since the end of Prohibition."


Keeping this in mind.... you dont find it ODD, that the Gambinos were sought out first by the Sicilian cupola, THEN by a Calabrian ndrangheta clan for COCAINE?
Ive always been intrigued by the WHY behind that.....


The fact the Ursinos went through Americans, and
NOT the Piromallis, (who get it shipped DIRECT to Italy..) or the Pesces, or the Bellocco, or the Crupis, like NO ONE from the Siderno group......

And the guys making it happen like Cali, Federici, and in this case Zammuto, DIDNT NEED TO!?

Like Cavita said, it seemed to be something larger COMPELLING them to get involved...

You could understand Calis family ties, the Ursino thing strikes me as very odd.....

[CabriniGreen]

@ Wiseguy

Also, what's this tail/ dog thing? lol

[Wiseguy]

I mean... for sure the numbers are off, the membership numbers are ALWAYS off, just like the estimates of the revenue from the operations....

I've never put much stock in associate estimates, as the definition can vary, but membership figures (at least in the U.S.) from the 1980s on are pretty solid.

@ Wiseguy

Also, what's this tail/ dog thing? lol

Meaning you sometimes make it seem like the leadership, policies, etc. of a mob family are subordinate to the drug traffickers within the organization rather than the other way around.

[CabriniGreen]

Aaah, got you