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hey man where youve been?
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OMG. I'm arguing with a wall. Sorry, have better things to do than continue a debate with a racist phony.Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:10 pm
1). You're dead wrong. "Caporegime" and "Capo" CANNOT always be used interchangeably. For example: Carlo Gambino would never have been called a "Caporegime" when he was the Boss of the Gambino Family but he could have been called a "Capo". In addition, I was talking about Chicago where they rarely ever used the word "Caporegime".
2). I wasn't nitpicking. Even other posters saw the difference and know Chicago rarely uses that term "Caporegime". You just don't like being corrected or challenged in any way. You made PLENTY of Racist rants to me in your PM'S and I told you to never PM me again.
3). You Always use that line about a Book you are writing with all these secrets in it every time you are backed into a corner. Well, please FINISH your book so we can see all your secrets that you don't post on the board.
In particular, prove that somebody from the Chicago Outfit told somebody from New York that a particular person was promoted to a Crew Boss and they were referred to as a "Caporegime". If you have that info, then let's see it. It's easy to always fall back on "secrets" that only you know when you can't verify something.
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Looks like you lost the debate and because you are so thin skinned, you now have to play the "Race" card when the debate had nothing to with Race and start name calling. lolAntiliar wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:13 pmOMG. I'm arguing with a wall. Sorry, have better things to do than continue a debate with a racist phony.Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:10 pm
1). You're dead wrong. "Caporegime" and "Capo" CANNOT always be used interchangeably. For example: Carlo Gambino would never have been called a "Caporegime" when he was the Boss of the Gambino Family but he could have been called a "Capo". In addition, I was talking about Chicago where they rarely ever used the word "Caporegime".
2). I wasn't nitpicking. Even other posters saw the difference and know Chicago rarely uses that term "Caporegime". You just don't like being corrected or challenged in any way. You made PLENTY of Racist rants to me in your PM'S and I told you to never PM me again.
3). You Always use that line about a Book you are writing with all these secrets in it every time you are backed into a corner. Well, please FINISH your book so we can see all your secrets that you don't post on the board.
In particular, prove that somebody from the Chicago Outfit told somebody from New York that a particular person was promoted to a Crew Boss and they were referred to as a "Caporegime". If you have that info, then let's see it. It's easy to always fall back on "secrets" that only you know when you can't verify something.
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OK Gentlemen:
Antiliar and Confederate put a lid on it. Stop resorting to this type of behaviour. Learn to debate without all the extras. Debate about content and respect each other opinion without continuing the back and forth. I am putting this in Public so others can learn and heed from this situation.
Antiliar and Confederate put a lid on it. Stop resorting to this type of behaviour. Learn to debate without all the extras. Debate about content and respect each other opinion without continuing the back and forth. I am putting this in Public so others can learn and heed from this situation.
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Does anyone know when Robert Panozzo sr was made?
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Im not sure it's verified that he ever was.
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To Everyone: Regarding the so-called Bible Capone soldiers upon which swore fealty to him, according to Carl Sifakis (yeah, I know) in his "The Mafia Encyclopedia", 3rd Edition, he writes "recruits swear fealty to Al Capone with their hand on a Bible (actually a parchment manuscript of biblical excerpts written in Greek)." Now, I know there is a name for this Bible, I did read it somewhere, but I cannot find the reference. If I dig it up, I will post.
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Don't know where else to put this, so here is as good as any. Pudgy pleading guilty.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loc ... story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loc ... story.html
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I found some more information on the 1956 ceremony in which Joe Ferriola and Tony Eldorado were inducted. A top echelon informant in the Chicago office provided this information to agents in 1966:
According to the informant, about 25 to 30 individuals were "made" into the Outfit at this ceremony. Every group made about four or five individuals each, including Chicago Heights and Skid Caruso's group. Other individuals that were mentioned by the informant as being "made" were Anthony Maenza (Caruso), Vincent Inserro (not specified but probably Daddano), and James Allegretti (Prio). Allegretti's induction was apparently controversial, as several individuals who had done "heavy" work for the Outfit had been passed over and that Allegretti had been made solely on his connections. Carlo Colianni was apparently influential in Allegretti's making.
The informant related that Ferriola, who had been sponsored by Daddano in 1956, had since transferred to the Buccieri group as he had angered Daddano over a gambling raid that Ferriola had allegedly been responsible for.
Additionally, members stay with their sponsors until their sponsor dies, although there were apparently exceptions, as seen above. Likewise, sponsors are responsible for their members and must side with them even over the sponsor's own family. If a made member is to be hit, all other made members of the Outfit must vote on the hit, except for those members belonging to the same group as the target. Made members must make their sponsor aware of their activities at all times, even when they choose to go on vacation.
I looked at some of the names which were cited in the report but not mentioned specifically by the informant (probably to protect his identity). I've therefore made a rough estimate of others who were made at this same ceremony. The body of the report has ~6 names redacted, although the way in which it is structured seems to infer that they were all made under the same group or sponsor:
Charles English
Sam English
Leonard Gianola
Albert Frabotta
1 Unknown
Others referenced in the report whom I believe to be "group" leaders or sponsors at this time are listed below. The informant does not specifically say that a group leader had to sponsor a member into the Outfit. It could then be inferred that an existing member (with the group leader's approval) could sponsor an individual. A couple of these names could also have been made at this time, although all of them had Outfit reputations prior to 1956 that probably excludes them.
Fiore Buccieri
Phil Alderisio
Ross Prio
William Daddano
Joseph DiVarco
Sam Battaglia
Frank Caruso
According to the informant, about 25 to 30 individuals were "made" into the Outfit at this ceremony. Every group made about four or five individuals each, including Chicago Heights and Skid Caruso's group. Other individuals that were mentioned by the informant as being "made" were Anthony Maenza (Caruso), Vincent Inserro (not specified but probably Daddano), and James Allegretti (Prio). Allegretti's induction was apparently controversial, as several individuals who had done "heavy" work for the Outfit had been passed over and that Allegretti had been made solely on his connections. Carlo Colianni was apparently influential in Allegretti's making.
The informant related that Ferriola, who had been sponsored by Daddano in 1956, had since transferred to the Buccieri group as he had angered Daddano over a gambling raid that Ferriola had allegedly been responsible for.
Additionally, members stay with their sponsors until their sponsor dies, although there were apparently exceptions, as seen above. Likewise, sponsors are responsible for their members and must side with them even over the sponsor's own family. If a made member is to be hit, all other made members of the Outfit must vote on the hit, except for those members belonging to the same group as the target. Made members must make their sponsor aware of their activities at all times, even when they choose to go on vacation.
I looked at some of the names which were cited in the report but not mentioned specifically by the informant (probably to protect his identity). I've therefore made a rough estimate of others who were made at this same ceremony. The body of the report has ~6 names redacted, although the way in which it is structured seems to infer that they were all made under the same group or sponsor:
Charles English
Sam English
Leonard Gianola
Albert Frabotta
1 Unknown
Others referenced in the report whom I believe to be "group" leaders or sponsors at this time are listed below. The informant does not specifically say that a group leader had to sponsor a member into the Outfit. It could then be inferred that an existing member (with the group leader's approval) could sponsor an individual. A couple of these names could also have been made at this time, although all of them had Outfit reputations prior to 1956 that probably excludes them.
Fiore Buccieri
Phil Alderisio
Ross Prio
William Daddano
Joseph DiVarco
Sam Battaglia
Frank Caruso
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That's one big ceremony
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And they currently need to have a couple of these big making ceremonies, lol
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Snakes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:24 pm I'll be updating this post with more information as I come across it.
This was inspired by JD's blog posts on the 5 Family making ceremonies. Similar to his posts, the dates listed may not necessarily be exact but are indicative of when the information was first reported to law enforcement. Likewise, some individuals may have been inducted at the same time but are listed separately because of differences in the dates reported to the FBI.
Unknown date (pre-1950s)
-Joseph DiVarco (Died 1986) [Sponsored by Anthony Accardo]
1956
-James Allegretti (51y) (Died 1969) [Sponsored by Ross Prio]
-Joseph Ferriola (29y) (Died 1989) [Sponsored by Fiore Buccieri]
-Anthony Eldorado (42y) (Died 1975) [Sponsored by William Daddano]
-Vincent Inserro (45y) (Died 1989) [Unknown sponsor but probably Daddano]
-Anthony Maenza (39y) (Died 1986) [Sponsored by Frank Caruso]
Other potential inductees (unconfirmed): Charles and Sam English, Albert Frabotta, Leonard Gianola
Pre-1971
-Vincent Solano (52y) (Died 1992) [Unknown sponsor; presumably Ross Prio]
Pre-August, 1973
[Note: This is not the exact date of any known ceremony but according to FBI intelligence, the individuals below were made by at least the time period listed]
-Salvatore Bastone (38y) (Died 1998) [Unknown sponsor; possibly Fiore Buccieri before his death]
-Richard Cain, a.k.a. Richard Scalzitti (41y) (Informant) (Murdered 1973) [Highly probable that Cain was made earlier; probably with Sam Giancana as sponsor]
-?John Gattuso? (38y) (Murdered 1983) [Gattuso identified as "made" around this time but later intelligence/info listed him as an associate]
-James LaPietra (46y) (Died 1993) [Unknown sponsor; possibly Fiore Buccieri before his death]
-Joseph Lombardo (44y) [Unknown sponsor]
Late 1976/Early 1977
-Frank DeMonte (49y) (Died 1992) [Unknown sponsor; possibly Joseph DiVarco]
-?Richard Victor Arrigo? (39y) (Confidential Informant by at least the mid-70s) (Died 2012) [Probably sponsored by Joseph DiVarco] [Note: FBI intelligence gives a date of 1975 for DeMonte's making but Arrigo informed the FBI that he was made at the same ceremony as DeMonte. As of September, 1976, the FBI received intelligence from Arrigo who was told by DiVarco that he (Arrigo) would be made sometime in the "immediate future." If DeMonte was made at the same time as Arrigo, this would seem to place the ceremony sometime after September of 1976. Also of interest is that DiVarco informed Arrigo that the Outfit's membership books had been "closed" for several years.]
October 9, 1983
-Frank Belmonte(?) [Sponsored by Vincent Solano]
-Frank Calabrese, Sr. (46y) (Died 2012) [Sponsored by Angelo LaPietra]
-Nicholas Calabrese (40y) (Flipped 2002) [Sponsored by Angelo LaPietra]
-Nicholas Guzzino (41y) [Sponsored by Dominick Palermo]
-Ernest "Rocky" Infelise (59y) (Died 2005) [Sponsored by Angelo LaPietra]
-James Marcello (41y) [Sponsored by Samuel Carlisi]
-John Matassa, Jr. (32y) [Sponsored by Vincent Solano] [Note: Other sources cite Matassa as being made in 1989 with DeLaurentis; the Nicholas Calabrese intelligence seems to be the more accurate]
-Albert Tocco (54y) (Died 2005) [Sponsored by Dominick Palermo]
-Anthony Zizzo (45y) (Murdered 2006) [Sponsored by Samuel Carlisi]
June 19, 1988
-Anthony Chiaramonti (55y) (Murdered 2001) [Unknown sponsor; probably Samuel Carlisi or James Marcello]
-Peter DiFronzo (55y) [Probably sponsored by John DiFronzo]
-James DiForti (44y) (Died 2000) [Sponsored by James LaPietra]
-Rudolph Fratto (45y) [Unknown sponsor; possibly John DiFronzo]
-Gerald Scarpelli (50y) (Flipped 1989) (Died 1989) [Unknown sponsor]
Summer, 1989
-Salvatore DeLaurentis (51y) [Unknown sponsor; probably Rocky Infelise]
How did Richard Cain get made? I thought the Outfit was very strict about only inducting full-blooded Italians, and from what I can find it doesn't appear that Cain has any Italian heritage.
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His birth name was Richard Scalzitti
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Does anyoneyone know who Sam DeStefano worked under in the Outfit?
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