Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:17 pmBut aren't the other posters (Lupara, Sonny B etc.) saying that the Canadian people to whom you are referring are actually PART OF the Buffalo Family?
So, it would then concern the Buffalo Family, Correct?
Technically, yes, but the problem is people are taking a handful of recent events and blowing them out of proportion, not only in relation to the Hamilton faction, but to the Buffalo family as a whole. In other words, they're looking at these recent events and believe they show something they don't.
We have far more examples of residual activity by remnants of a basically defunct family - whether it be an indictment, or somebody being made, etc. - than what many on this forum seem to be interpreting all this as. There really is no reason to think Buffalo will be any different.
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:27 pm
Bingo.
And this is from the RCMP directly.
Yet still we dance through hoops.
See above.
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:38 pm
Somebody being made underboss of a family, has more to do with the OC landscape of the country... than the family itself.
This argument is, for yours, officially now ridiculous.
See? That's where you and a lot of others here get off track. Thinking a recently made guy in Canada being named underboss shows the family is more active than it is overall. Violi being bumped up doesnt change the fact that the American side of the family -
the bulk of the family - has been basically defunct for years now; and remain so according to the FBI. Violi's promotion is likely more a product of some recent residual activity by Canadian members than it is a reflection on the family overall.
Hellboy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:40 pm
Idk. You got captains being named, guys getting offered to be made, an underboss is revealed, and boss giving people promotions with the so called backing of some of the five families. Not to mention a murder now. Sounds pretty fucking active to me. At this point it's just looking like blind, denial, to say otherwise.
According to Canadian authorities, Violi is the recently made underboss, one of the Luppinos is a captain, and a relative who turned down membership has been killed. And, of course, the drug bust that preceded all this. This is obviously related to the Hamilton faction, which is a minority part of the family.
It may seem like a lot if one forgets the 1) the lack of activity out of Hamilton for years now until recently, and 2) this doesn't necessarily reflect on the status of the family
as a whole. Todaro Jr. is likely little more than a nominal boss and one of those the FBI described as involved in legit business and who's OC activities don't exist anymore. Don't read more into news about Violi's promotion being sent down to New York than is really there.
You guys are looking at some recent events and info in isolation while ignoring everything else. As a result, how you're viewing this, in relation to the Buffalo LCN, is skewed. Once again, this is not unlike the New Orleans video gambling bust in 1994 or the Detroit bookmaking bust in 2006, both of which involved some high ranking members of those families. But we can now see that those cases weren't reflective of a really active family. More like residual activity by remnants of a family. Again, really no reason to think Buffalo will be any different.
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:19 amwhat kind of more solid info? violi himself said buffalo family has 30 made members
A good example of looking at one piece of info in isolation while ignoring other things. In this case, the fact that the family was at 23 members in 2006. Several members have died since then. Whoever has been recently made on the Canadian side of the border, they are still a minority in the family. And its rather unlikely that enough guys have been made to not only make up for the deceased, but bring it all the way back to over 30.
SILENT PARTNERZ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:39 am
What rackets (besides dope in Hamilton) are they involved? We don't know.
I am not invalidating what claims Dom Violi made. I'm not claiming to know about the Buffalo Family One way or the other. Are they defunct? Or are they 25 to 35 members strong and very active?
All I was trying to say is I need more information to know what the Todaro family is up to in Buffalo.
And I was trying to say that I'm not going to argue about it one way or the other. Just wait for Facts to come out.
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One can look at what Buffalo-related cases there have been over the past 20 years and it will give a good look at the state of things. Of course, many here don't do that (it would actually take some work) and so can't see beyond the latest headlines.
Lupara wrote: ↑Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:12 amWe shouldn't assume that they had been growing weak before growing strong again either. I think the Hamilton crews' activities were never really compromised. So while the Buffalo part of the Buffalo family was in decline, the Canadian part remained stabile. This is why I believe Todaro, Jr., who more than likely has stayed on as the nominal boss, has named Violi underboss in order to give him more authority to build upon and re-organize the Canadian faction's activities, perhaps in order to keep the Buffalo family, or at least its legacy, alive. It may be the first step in a transition of power to the Canadian side when what remains in Buffalo itself will ultimately fade away completely.
Then again, this arrest which goes along with a fair amount of humiliation, may have thwarted these plans. We've seen before, in Montreal for instance, how things can fall apart quickly, both in 2006, 2011, and 2013.
As I said, the using the lack of enforcement by Canadian authorities to explain things away only goes so far. Are we really supposed to believe the Hamilton faction has remained stable with nary a sign for years now? Or is it more likely recent events are more isolated and related to things in Canada than a reflection on the overall state of the Buffalo LCN?
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