Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[cavita]

So, I’m a bit skeptical to read too much into vague claims of “Italian organized crime”. If this is an LCN bust involving made members, it’ll be specifically laid out by the government when they make their case. If it’s not clearly laid out, it’s because there is either no proof of LCN activity or it doesn’t exist.

Forgive me if this is dumb I'm just trying to look at this from every angle. But something I've been wondering about lately is would it be possible the feds are just playing it close to the vest by labelling it "Italian Organized Crime" instead of "LCN" giving out the perception that they think it's something separate from LCN, that way any connected LCN members think they got off while the feds strengthen the case against them? Possibly building up a RICO case?

The feds will say whatever they want and put any spin on something if it fits their needs and makes them look good. Bottom line. They belong to the government and they operate like any government entity. They are not infallible and can be completely corruptible.

[Wiseguy]

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And, while maybe not you Christie, if history is any guide, most here won't come back and admit they're wrong about Buffalo making a comeback. Not a single poster on the Detroit issue ever did. As I said, what's going to happen is all this will slowly fade away as the 2017 bust gets further into the past and no big news or indictments occur. And eventually people here will just hope it's forgotten rather than have to own up to their bullshit. Hide and watch.

Not rubbing this in your face but what you said wasn't going to happen is exactly what just happened.



Gerace is the nephew of Joseph A. Todaro, who the FBI has accused of running the Buffalo mob (Todaro and his late father, Joseph E. Todaro, have always denied the charges, which have never been proven in court).

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/fe ... indictment

First, you say that like any significant connection to whoever is actually left in the Buffalo mob has been established. Second, the recent arrest is part of the same investigation surrounding Bongiovanni and certain drug dealers started over 5 years ago (I made that comment above last year). Peter Militelli, a CI for Bongiovanni, busted in 2016 for drug trafficking. Serio, busted in April 2017, reportedly had dealings with Bongiovanni, Masecchia, etc. Anthony Gerace busted in May 2019. Bongiovanni himself busted in November 2019. Pharaoh's strip club raided the following month. Michael Messechia, also tied to Bongiovanni, busted in August 2019. Joseph Bella busted in January 2021. And now Peter Gerace.

All drug dealers tied to the same corrupt DEA agent. All Italian. A couple happen to be nephews of the local titular mob boss. A couple others deemed to be associates, however much that means in Buffalo today. This is the feds taking down loosely connected people in the same general investigation. It's understandable why the general public would believe the media hype about a Mafia comeback. But people on this forum should know better.

[B.]

Todaro is regional representative of the network. This is why Morena's cooperation revealed that Todaro was bothered nobody told him Iavarone was a made member of the LA family operating in his region. Not so he can demand tribute, but so he knows what is going on.

[CabriniGreen]

The "Buffalo LCN Family" is mentioned in the indictment. Interesting in that they describe it as an IOC (International Organized Crime) group, probably because of their associations with Canada.

On or about July 11, 2013, the defendant BONGIOVANNI received an email from a fellow member of law enforcement advising him, in part, that “Masecchia is an associate and possibly made member of the Buffalo LCN family,” an IOC group operating in Buffalo, New York, and elsewhere.

And?


According to the filing, the FBI believes “that Vincent Pisciotta is a ‘made member’ of the Kansas City LCN and that Mark Sorrentino is a close associate of that criminal enterprise.”


"William J. D'Elia has been publicly identified as a member of La Cosa Nostra and the boss of the Bufalino Crime Family in Northeastern Pennsylvania."

Don't drag me into this, I was merely pointing something out that I found interesting about the indictment. Quit taking everything so personally.

This... he takes this Buffalo shit SOOOO Personally its fuckin ridiculous. I'm actually baffled why he cares so much. I dont think Wiseguy understands no one CARES one way or the other, its cool.. He thinks it's still like, whatever, year 2000 on the RD forum. Looking for phantom ids from trolling posters and whatnot, lol.

If it came out tommorow there was a mafia family in Idaho, I'd just be like, well.... how does the potatoes racket work? Wiseguy will take this shit PERSONALLY! LIKE PERSONALLY!!! LOL

[CabriniGreen]

Apparently you're more impressed with the Buffalo media's regurgitation of old articles, and the arrest of a strip club owner pushing drugs and underage girls, than I am.

Honestly, at this point I couldn't care any less.

Fuckin A...Seriously

[B.]

Todaro is regional representative of the network. This is why Morena's cooperation revealed that Todaro was bothered nobody told him Iavarone was a made member of the LA family operating in his region. Not so he can demand tribute, but so he knows what is going on.

To add context...

This is an example of protocol violation, but we also have examples of protocol being followed:

- It's unlikely the Bonanno family contacted newly made member Domenico Violi directly without Joe Todaro's approval/permission, and someone would have had to make the introduction. This contact was likely arranged first via the Bonanno leadership and Joe Todaro. It's clear from the tapes of Violi that he was on the same page as Todaro. The investigation pointed to contact between John Zancocchio and the Buffalo family, further indication of protocol being followed. Todaro would have approved and/or directed the Bonanno family's contact with Violi in Canada, especially given that Todaro soon thereafter promoted Violi to underboss and top Buffalo representative in Canada.

- When a Bonanno member traveled to Sicily in need of a favor, he was directed by his boss "Joe" (probably acting boss Joe Cammarano Jr.) to make direct contact with the boss of Castellammare, Francesco Domingo. Doesn't matter where or when it happens, but the same protocol has been in place since the beginning of the mafia. Representatives must direct official contact between families whether it's in Canada, the US, or Sicily.

The Morena investigation revealed that Todaro was bothered when this protocol wasn't followed with Iavarone. Were there repercussions? Maybe not for this violation alone. Iavarone was murdered, so clearly something was afoot.

[B.]

If the Violi-Luppino faction was involved in any of the Canadian mafia murders over recent years and these hits were sanctioned, it means Joe Todaro technically shares responsibility. It is difficult to comprehend, but Joe Todaro may well outshine Barney Bellomo in terms of both wealth and murder. The La Nova hats that say "Get your f'n shine box!" could very well be a message to Barney Bellomo.

[Wiseguy]

You just be on bullshit Wiseguy, lol. I say they up n made these guys, you say what guys? Then turn right around and say they made the Violi bros, like you dont know who the fuck I'm talking about.

If you're talking about Violi, nobody denies they made him. But it sounded like you were saying they've made a bunch of new young guys.

Ive said long ago that Buffalo today, might mean Canada. Here you go, now the Violis are part of the CANADIAN OC scene. When I said that before, you counter with, no they are with Buffalo, and the majority of the membership is in the US.

I've never denied the Violis are part of the Canadian OC scene. They are formally tied to what's left of the mob in Buffalo, which has the majority of the family's remaining membership. So it's not really accurate to say "Buffalo means Canada" just because some recent activity by the few guys on the Canadian side of the border, as if that somehow outweighs most of the members being old and inactive, as well as little going on for years.

You say the Violis and Cece were made to solidify standing in LCN..... What fuckin standing, theres no FAMILY, right?

Correct, no formally structured, functioning family. But being a made guy still gave D'Elia standing when he was the last of the Mohican. Remember?

I dont have time for this bullshit, believe what you want. You just want to win little bullshit arguements, you dont debate in good faith. For the record, I still believe you are basically correct, nothing WAS happening until 2014. After that, to quote YOU, they made the Violis, tried to make Cece, TO SOLIDIFY THEIR STANDING IN OC!!!

Not sure why you're getting triggered. I like to stick to the facts and don't have much tolerance for bullshit. You saying I "don't debate in good faith" implies I enter these discussions with the intent to be dishonest and I resent that.

And for the record, I've never denied "something happened" after 2014. I don't agree that something was the resurgence of a defunct Mafia family in Buffalo. You guys have been given example after example of where there have been some cases after a family was essentially gone. As well as examples of guys being made into families that were defunct at that point. But somehow Buffalo is the exception.

If the Violi-Luppino faction was involved in any of the Canadian mafia murders over recent years and these hits were sanctioned, it means Joe Todaro technically shares responsibility. It is difficult to comprehend, but Joe Todaro may well outshine Barney Bellomo in terms of both wealth and murder. The La Nova hats that say "Get your f'n shine box!" could very well be a message to Barney Bellomo.

Prepare yourself for the anticlimactic.

[Rat]

but Joe Todaro may well outshine Barney Bellomo in terms of both wealth and murder. The La Nova hats that say "Get your f'n shine box!" could very well be a message to Barney Bellomo.

One fucking Buffalo family then we got these five pygmy things in New York

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Why did The Buffalo News have to print this article? lol.

[Wiseguy]

Why did The Buffalo News have to print this article? lol.

Clicks

[Grouchy Sinatra]

Why did The Buffalo News have to print this article? lol.

Clicks

Or, possibly, a global commission being started by the Todaros.

[Wiseguy]

Why did The Buffalo News have to print this article? lol.

Clicks

Or, possibly, a global commission being started by the Todaros.

Sure. This could only be the tip of the iceberg.

[SantoClaus]

Has there been any recent mention of a Commission?

[Rat]

Has there been any recent mention of a Commission?

Yes I’m 2013, the Bonnanos led by then Acting boss Gene Borrello ran into some issues with the Gambino Family. This was due to the fact that a Gianni Russo’s crew was running into debates with the zips over who was making more money and if Michael Franzese was legit.

So in a rare instance the commission was called back together. The vote was split 2-2. The Colombos weren’t on the commission at this time because as former Don Borrello describes it “nobody wanted to be their boss lol.”

So the Gambinos sent their top street boss, money maker and killer John Alite to reach out to Todaro. Todaro is widely considered the Boss of Bosses when it comes to both the American and Canadian mafia. An FBI wiretap said that Todaro was also the boss of Italy and his family had 300 soldiers.

But Wiseguy and Pogo said the FBI never reported this it can’t be true. It’s only 300 loosely connected Italian associates. They also said that the Buffalo family was just 3 old guys on viagra and there’s no way they could be running a cross Atlantic Crime Family.

Back on track though, Todaro met with the four members of the commission at a beach in Florida, he had them dress to the fucking t in tuxedos. He made them walk with him into the ocean until they were neck deep.

Then he made the call that the beef didn’t matter and that all five families would be kicking up 50 points to him once a week.