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Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:04 pm There is also Lee Rizzo who is confirmed but I'm wondering if Lee Rizzo is a reference to member Anthony Rizzo who died in 2004.

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:18 am

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:56 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:45 amIf scott says he has a source, I tend to believe him. Why would he lie? He;s good at what he does and seens to have integrity. These guys make so little money it's a joke. How about being a cop whose sole purpose in life is to investigate what are essentially petty crimes committed largely by old men. Its morons vs morons. If they even bring Feds in to Providence that would be a joke. West Side should just gobble it up and set up a book.

I've not weighed in up to this point, but Pogo is absolutely right. This is hardly the first time scottb's sources conflict with ones that can be posted right here for everyone to see. Despite this, if people want to give him the benefit of the doubt, they're free to. Just like they're free to believe Detroit still has 40 members.

On a side note, what's left of the LCN in New England isn't considered an investigative priority by law enforcement anymore.

Scottb said on here that his sources and labeled LE as one of them. He also said it's a "nuanced" maybe the feds know he's made but tor whatever can't come out publicly for whatever reason bc that information is known by so few.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:56 am

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:45 amIf scott says he has a source, I tend to believe him. Why would he lie? He;s good at what he does and seens to have integrity. These guys make so little money it's a joke. How about being a cop whose sole purpose in life is to investigate what are essentially petty crimes committed largely by old men. Its morons vs morons. If they even bring Feds in to Providence that would be a joke. West Side should just gobble it up and set up a book.

I've not weighed in up to this point, but Pogo is absolutely right. This is hardly the first time scottb's sources conflict with ones that can be posted right here for everyone to see. Despite this, if people want to give him the benefit of the doubt, they're free to. Just like they're free to believe Detroit still has 40 members.

On a side note, what's left of the LCN in New England isn't considered an investigative priority by law enforcement anymore.

CornerBoy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:45 amIf scott says he has a source, I tend to believe him. Why would he lie? He;s good at what he does and seens to have integrity. These guys make so little money it's a joke. How about being a cop whose sole purpose in life is to investigate what are essentially petty crimes committed largely by old men. Its morons vs morons. If they even bring Feds in to Providence that would be a joke. West Side should just gobble it up and set up a book.

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:33 pm Right. So Parillo wasn't on the member list released in 2011 (at a time when Scott claimed he was the Consigliere and next in line to be Boss) and we have LE referring to him as associate in 2015, 2016 and 2020 but that is not good enough for you? Some people just want to believe what they want to believe.

If scott says he has a source, I tend to believe him. Why would he lie? He;s good at what he does and seens to have integrity. These guys make so little money it's a joke. How about being a cop whose sole purpose in life is to investigate what are essentially petty crimes committed largely by old men. Its morons vs morons. If they even bring Feds in to Providence that would be a joke. West Side should just gobble it up and set up a book.

davidf1989 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:44 pm was Anthony st. Laurent Jr who is the son of Anthony the saint st laurent a made guy?

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:23 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:27 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:44 pm Don't know. I have him being indicted as a member in the big March 1990 indictment but I could be wrong on that. Can anyone find that indictment to confirm?


Pogo

There is a redacted name on the 1993 member list around where D'Aquila's name would be that was scheduled for release 4/97. D'Aquila was released in December 1996, but he probably got a bit shaved off his sentence for good behavior or whatever. Just a thought, it may not be him.

Good catch. That could be him. It could also be John Cincotti. He was in prison with a release date of 4/16/1997. The next redacted name that got out of Petersburg FCI on 4/23/1999 is Biagio DiGiacomo since that is when he got out. The 4 redacted names in between are likely William DelSanto, Richard DeLuca, Vito DeLuca and Joseph DeLuca (made in 1993). If Joseph DeLuca was not yet made at this time or they didn't have him on the list that early then alphabetically it could be Cincotti, D'Aquila (though not listed in prison), DelSanto, R. DeLuca, V. DeLuca and DiGiacomo.


Pogo

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:47 am

Nurzhamba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:21 am
Thank you for the detailed answer. Is it possible to say that the Patriarca family is finished or say that they have already lost influence in this region?

Like the other handful of remaining families outside New York, I think they're not far off. The Providence side of things certainly seems to be. There's roughly 20 or so members in Boston but things appear to have slowed down there as well. The last significant case there was in 2014 (and a follow up case in 2015) when Louis DiNunzio was among several people charged with running a fairly good sized sports betting operation (30 agents that serviced 700 bettors).

One thing that was confusing was, authorities said the operation took in $6 million in bets between May 2014 and May 2015. If you figure the profit for that was the typical 5%, that would be $600,000 over the year. But it was alleged the ring took in profits of $3 million a year. Never heard of a sports betting operation with a 50% profit margin. They were also moving a fair amount of marijuana but I don't think that was figured into the numbers above.

I should add that there was one more case out of Providence in 2016 when 20 people, including associate Timothy Moretti, were charged with bookmaking, as well as distributing marijuana, cocaine, and prescription drugs.

That seems to be the MO of the New England mob (also the Philly mob) for years now. A street operation involving mainly gambling with supplemental income from drugs.

Snakes wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:27 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:44 pm Don't know. I have him being indicted as a member in the big March 1990 indictment but I could be wrong on that. Can anyone find that indictment to confirm?


Pogo

There is a redacted name on the 1993 member list around where D'Aquila's name would be that was scheduled for release 4/97. D'Aquila was released in December 1996, but he probably got a bit shaved off his sentence for good behavior or whatever. Just a thought, it may not be him.

Nurzhamba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:21 am
Thank you for the detailed answer. Is it possible to say that the Patriarca family is finished or say that they have already lost influence in this region?

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:03 am

Nurzhamba wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:14 am Do you know anything about these guys and their financial situation? I know that in the late 2000s, when the feds covered up family members and accomplices, it was said that they (said about Manocchio, Scivola etc) were trying to make money from extortion from strip bars and received meager amounts in combination with rackets of vending machines and video poker machines (this was said about Spagnolo and Prуce Quintinа).

In January 2011, Manocchio, Lato, and Scivola were charged with extorting several adult businesses and the monthly take from them all, according to the indictment, ranged from $4,000 to $6,000. Or $48,000 to $72,000 a year.

The following May, Lato, Marrapese and Scivola were charged with running a bookmaking operation, trafficking in prescription drugs, etc. but I don't recall seeing any figures on that.

In 2014, Spagnolo and Quintina were charged with extorting approximately $50,000 from a video poker company over a 7 year period, which amounts to a little over $7,000 a year.

Not exactly big money, in and of themselves, especially if it's split up several different ways. If it's supplemental to other things, that's different.

Either way, while there was quite a bit of activity through the 2000's, very little to nothing since the cases above, which - along with simple attrition - seem to have pretty much finished off the Providence faction.