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Loyal enough not to be too greedy and take over the family. Vic demoted them after he learned he had support from the rest of the family.

GLN/13/06/2019 wrote:Under questioning from Scotten last month, Pennisi testified that in a letter from his cell, Amuso had authorized the takeover — by force if necessary — after he received a coded letter from "a crew of guys very loyal to him" who were very upset that the "administration of the family had shifted to the Bronx" and who "wanted to take the family back to Brooklyn."

Pennisi was not privy to how it was done, but he stated that he learned from wiseguy Patrick (Patty Red) Dellorusso that after receiving the letter, Amuso authorized the takeover in a return missive he sent from Cumberland that was shared with Crea, who went along with the directive he received from his boss.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:20 pm You're right they are straight up gangsters as you put it and it seems to me they could have taken the family if they wanted to but they never did. They also gave up their spots when Vic told them to, replaced by none other than Vics other option.

not only did he replace them, they said there was a supposed "murder plot" for them. Was there any more info about that?

So, long story short, they probably werent "loyal" to Vic. In Mob Boss, at the very end D'Arco claimed that he talked with Crea Snr about possibly killing them and taking over... and then I think Crea Snr almost was put on Gas' hit list.

Mason_dixon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:12 pm Thanks for the reply dudes. I think this mafia shit in New York is so fucking interesting how these guys keep the culture from the old county alive. I am German/Sweed and Scottish/Irish and besides me looking like A poster child for the Hitler youth and being taught little bits of German by my somewhat ethnic grandmother our culture while German culture is very dominant in the Midwest is nothing like this Italian mafia and Italian heritage I. New York City and I respect that. Matty Madonna should have a movie made about him if that guy ever talked holy cow!

Mattys movies would just be prison stories...lol

You're right they are straight up gangsters as you put it and it seems to me they could have taken the family if they wanted to but they never did. They also gave up their spots when Vic told them to, replaced by none other than Vics other option.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:16 pm

Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:00 pm They both just beat the Feds once already, but now there is rumors they’ve been shelved?

Shelved for what? They just ran the family fairly successfully for several years and they were very loyal to Vic not like those treacherous Bonanno's under Mikey Nose.

I’m not exactly sure how loyal Madonna and Crea were to Vic ... they were both part of the Bronx faction which historically has controlled the Luccheses except for Vic and gas... I’m pretty sure Vic has no other options. Matty and Crea and straight up gangsters their leadership and money making ability is unparalleled

Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:00 pm They both just beat the Feds once already, but now there is rumors they’ve been shelved?

Shelved for what? They just ran the family fairly successfully for several years and they were very loyal to Vic not like those treacherous Bonanno's under Mikey Nose.

Thanks for the reply dudes. I think this mafia shit in New York is so fucking interesting how these guys keep the culture from the old county alive. I am German/Sweed and Scottish/Irish and besides me looking like A poster child for the Hitler youth and being taught little bits of German by my somewhat ethnic grandmother our culture while German culture is very dominant in the Midwest is nothing like this Italian mafia and Italian heritage I. New York City and I respect that. Matty Madonna should have a movie made about him if that guy ever talked holy cow!

Mason_dixon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:33 pm 2 very interesting and successful life long mobsters. What are their chances of beating the wrap? Haven’t heard much about this yet this trial is huge and very brazen that in 2013 they just had had enough and kill Michael Meldish. These guys are old school to the bone and simply don’t care.

Its over for Matty anyways. Matty has spent like 90% of adult life in can...and he's fuckin Geriatric ! I doubt he or Crea will walk on all charges. Even if they beat the murder rap they will get them on lesser charges. Its over for those guys.

I think we will see sentences in the 12-20 range with a not guilty on the murders. Pennisi knows a lot, the rat bastard.

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:43 pm

maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:38 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:22 pm Matty wont flip no matter what. He did 20 yrs inside and not even the death penalty will get him to flip. There’s a very slim chance that Crea Sr would cut a deal to get his son off the hook. I’d say both guys will beat the murder charges at trial since the evidence is pretty weak, but i can’t say the same for the other racketeering charges.

IMO .... they have a big problem. Even if the murder drops. These Rico’s are a bitch. And they’ve got a lot of counts against them

I can see both of them bein acquitted of the most serious charges but still getting 20 yrs on lesser charges. Sorta like what happened to tommy shots. Doesn’t seem like too much of a win but thats just the life.

Agreed!.... that’s what these conspiracy laws do. Always did, but Rico brings it to a ridiculous degree!

maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:38 pm

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:22 pm Matty wont flip no matter what. He did 20 yrs inside and not even the death penalty will get him to flip. There’s a very slim chance that Crea Sr would cut a deal to get his son off the hook. I’d say both guys will beat the murder charges at trial since the evidence is pretty weak, but i can’t say the same for the other racketeering charges.

IMO .... they have a big problem. Even if the murder drops. These Rico’s are a bitch. And they’ve got a lot of counts against them

I can see both of them bein acquitted of the most serious charges but still getting 20 yrs on lesser charges. Sorta like what happened to tommy shots. Doesn’t seem like too much of a win but thats just the life.

slimshady_007 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:22 pm Matty wont flip no matter what. He did 20 yrs inside and not even the death penalty will get him to flip. There’s a very slim chance that Crea Sr would cut a deal to get his son off the hook. I’d say both guys will beat the murder charges at trial since the evidence is pretty weak, but i can’t say the same for the other racketeering charges.

IMO .... they have a big problem. Even if the murder drops. These Rico’s are a bitch. And they’ve got a lot of counts against them

Matty wont flip no matter what. He did 20 yrs inside and not even the death penalty will get him to flip. There’s a very slim chance that Crea Sr would cut a deal to get his son off the hook. I’d say both guys will beat the murder charges at trial since the evidence is pretty weak, but i can’t say the same for the other racketeering charges.

Im thinking their chances on beating the murder charge are decent. The three witnesses the government have are pretty untrustworthy. The first is Frank Pasqua III who has contradicted himself by telling the feds his father killed Meldish and then switching his story around and pointed the finger at Christopher Londonio and cladwell. The second is that junkie who has mental issues who was Londonio's cellmate, he claims that Londonio spilled his guts to him and told him every detail about the murder including who ordered it. Sounds like total bullshit to me, its very obvious he made it all up to try and get his sentence reduced. The third witness is John Pennisi a former mob soldier. Pennisi was in a different faction then Crea and Madonna and i dont think he knows much about the Meldish murder. So in the end they have two witnesses who have lost pretty much all credibility and the other doesnt know much about the killing. Londonino may be fucked though assuming the feds have any dna evidence that can tie him to the shooting; if not I bet he has a good chance of acquittal also.

Mason_dixon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:33 pm 2 very interesting and successful life long mobsters. What are their chances of beating the wrap? Haven’t heard much about this yet this trial is huge and very brazen that in 2013 they just had had enough and kill Michael Meldish. These guys are old school to the bone and simply don’t care.

I’m curious to see if either one of these guys flip. They both just beat the Feds once already, but now there is rumors they’ve been shelved? I can’t see how that would improve the odds that they’d both eat a potentially long sentence.