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Re: Cleveland

by Stroccos » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:13 pm

JCB1977 wrote: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:29 pm It was widely known that Scalish closed the books for a long time. Scalish trusted nobody except for those closest to him. Plus, by the 1960’s & 1970’s, Italians weren’t pouring into the city like previous years and by the early 70’s, the blue collar workers were all getting laid off and losing manufacturing jobs daily. Gambling rackets shrunk. I’m not saying that is the primary reason but it certainly is a part of it. Many of the rust belt cities dealt with this.
I tink that was a factor , I would point out that scalish was in charge in 50-60's when the ecomony was booming , like you said he didn't need to expand pass the current members to maintain the power , as arm chair dons looking 50-60 years in the future maybe we are to focused on made guys , ONe Ronnie carabbia is worth more then ten made guys who arnt worth a shit , as we stated many times why would scalish rock the boat HE was making good money
there is still some good stuff that has not been talk about yet , I have a feeling ;) that information will come out once loose and Papalardo pass on hopefully not anytime soon as there both good guys, there is kind a rule of thumb you don't about people that are still alive

Re: Cleveland

by JCB1977 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:29 pm

It was widely known that Scalish closed the books for a long time. Scalish trusted nobody except for those closest to him. Plus, by the 1960’s & 1970’s, Italians weren’t pouring into the city like previous years and by the early 70’s, the blue collar workers were all getting laid off and losing manufacturing jobs daily. Gambling rackets shrunk. I’m not saying that is the primary reason but it certainly is a part of it. Many of the rust belt cities dealt with this.

Re: Cleveland

by FriendofFamily » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:38 am

Stroccos wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:26 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:11 pm
Stroccos wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:03 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:32 pm was joe loose ever officially appointed boss??

i always thought he was assumed to be boss and one of few remaining made members left
If you mean by new York , I don't know if the Genovese family officially approved him to be boss or not , whether they did or not he was recognized as the man in Cleveland .

off the top of my head i know he dealt with chicago , DeCavalcantes , buffalo , pittsburgh/youngstown
so what happened for him to basically lead the family to defunct? seems he had wide contacts and respect as well.
took over a sinking ship , he just wanted to make money for himself , preserving A dying way of life was probably at the bottom of his list

as snakes said attrition which got its start dating back o the polizzi and scalish regimes not wanting to expand ,
I think that where some of the Short Sightedness comes in whether it's Joe Loose, Scalish, or Polizzi: They think that 100% of what they earn is better than 10 Guys kicking up 10%. The only thing is you can have 50 guys kicking 10% and that way you are making money even if a couple of them get busted as long as they don't rat.

Re: Cleveland

by Stroccos » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:26 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:11 pm
Stroccos wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:03 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:32 pm was joe loose ever officially appointed boss??

i always thought he was assumed to be boss and one of few remaining made members left
If you mean by new York , I don't know if the Genovese family officially approved him to be boss or not , whether they did or not he was recognized as the man in Cleveland .

off the top of my head i know he dealt with chicago , DeCavalcantes , buffalo , pittsburgh/youngstown
so what happened for him to basically lead the family to defunct? seems he had wide contacts and respect as well.
took over a sinking ship , he just wanted to make money for him self , preserving A dying way of life was probably at the bottom of his list

as snakes said attrition which got its start dating back o the polizzi and scalish regimes not wanting to expand ,

Re: Cleveland

by Snakes » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:26 pm

I believed Cleveland simply stopped making guys.

Re: Cleveland

by JeremyTheJew » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:11 pm

Stroccos wrote: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:03 am
JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:32 pm was joe loose ever officially appointed boss??

i allways thought he was assumed to be boss and one of few remaining made members left
If you mean by new York , I dont know if the Genovese family officially approved him to be boss or not , wheather they did or not he was recognized as the man in Cleveland .

off the top of my head i know he dealt with chicago , DeCavalcantes , buffalo , pittsburgh/youngstown
so what happened for him to basically lead the family to defunct? seems he had wide contacts and respect as well.

Re: Cleveland

by Pogo The Clown » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:42 pm

You can add Rochester as well. What was his connection to Buffalo? I'm not recalling it.


Pogo

Re: Cleveland

by Stroccos » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:03 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:32 pm was joe loose ever officially appointed boss??

i always thought he was assumed to be boss and one of few remaining made members left
If you mean by new York , I don't know if the Genovese family officially approved him to be boss or not , whether they did or not he was recognized as the man in Cleveland .

off the top of my head i know he dealt with chicago , DeCavalcantes , buffalo , pittsburgh/youngstown

Re: Cleveland

by JeremyTheJew » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:32 pm

was joe loose ever officially appointed boss??

i allways thought he was assumed to be boss and one of few remaining made members left

Re: Cleveland

by Stroccos » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:50 pm

Ivan wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:14 am Iacobacci is brokester? I remember reading something about him having to move back in with his parents, but that's all I've heard.
I am saying he is a brokester for being a boss , it has nothing to do with the size of his house for example look at Jack white lived in a modest home in little Italy , its just him and his old lady he doesnt need a big place , again if hes playing the broke old gangster routine give the guy a academy award , hye maybe he has a little money stashed but does he have millions no fucking way!! obv loose is one those guys who didn't want to work , as we often hear people on wiretaps "beats working ", had he wanted to put in the work he could of been a very very wealthy man , he has been sick and not in the best of health either , hell he gets free cars from his one guy and his house is got to paid off he doesn't need much money just to maintain

Re: RE: Re: Cleveland

by phatmatress777 » Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 am

FriendofFamily wrote:
Ivan wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:14 am Iacobacci is brokester? I remember reading something about him having to move back in with his parents, but that's all I've heard.
He owns the house it's Titled in his Name and his 86 year old Mother Lives there with him from what I understand. He purchased it for $50,000 in 2013. There is a bunch of other things that I am not going to post. Still give the Man some respect. Not easy making a living being the Cleveland Boss.
It's hard being a common white man from Cleveland for Christ's sakes

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Re: Cleveland

by JCB1977 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:36 pm

Ronnie The Crab is in pretty rough shape, not doing very well. Myriad of health issues.

Re: Cleveland

by FriendofFamily » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:57 pm

Stroccos wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:35 am
FriendofFamily wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:38 am
Ivan wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:14 am Iacobacci is brokester? I remember reading something about him having to move back in with his parents, but that's all I've heard.
He owns the house it's Titled in his Name and his 86 year old Mother Lives there with him from what I understand. He purchased it for $50,000 in 2013. There is a bunch of other things that I am not going to post. Still give the Man some respect. Not easy making a living being the Cleveland Boss.
Mrs. I died several years ago , I highly doubt that House is in his name . As loose has nothing on paper , and if it says joe is owner it’s most likely his son
You're Right Stroccos - in my Hurry I didn't see that she died January 21st, 2010 she was 86 when she died - She was Born July 7th, 1923

Re: Cleveland

by Stroccos » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:35 am

FriendofFamily wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:38 am
Ivan wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:14 am Iacobacci is brokester? I remember reading something about him having to move back in with his parents, but that's all I've heard.
He owns the house it's Titled in his Name and his 86 year old Mother Lives there with him from what I understand. He purchased it for $50,000 in 2013. There is a bunch of other things that I am not going to post. Still give the Man some respect. Not easy making a living being the Cleveland Boss.
Mrs. I died several years ago , I highly doubt that House is in his name . As loose has notning on paper , and if it says joe is onwer it’s most likely his son

Re: Cleveland

by FriendofFamily » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:38 am

Ivan wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:14 am Iacobacci is brokester? I remember reading something about him having to move back in with his parents, but that's all I've heard.
He owns the house it's Titled in his Name and his 86 year old Mother Lives there with him from what I understand. He purchased it for $50,000 in 2013. There is a bunch of other things that I am not going to post. Still give the Man some respect. Not easy making a living being the Cleveland Boss.

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