THE BLACK HAND FORUM

maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:52 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:44 pm “Richard P. Donoghue, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, William F. Sweeney, Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New York Field Office (FBI), and James P. O’Neill, Commissioner, New York City Police Department (NYPD), announced the charges.”

I’d like people to note this.


The US Attorney for the Eastern district of NY, the Assistant Director of the FBI for NY and the FUCKING COMMISSIONER OF THE NYPD announced the charges against..... wait for it... wait for it... 3 made guys accused of GAMBLING AND LOAN.

Can we all think about that.

A couple of guys taking bets (which is legal at casinos and... most of the western world) and giving loans out (go check out a million payday loan firms, credit card companies and note their credit rates) and this draws out the three highest law officials in a city of twenty million people.

Are you fucking kidding.

Go arrest MS13 members cutting people up with machetes or the cartels importing tons of Herion into NYC ya fucking political, career orientated, selfish fucks.
The commissioner of the NYPD has nothing better to do than three guys taking bets in NYC.

What. A. Joke.

Who says Italians aren’t special eh.

What a joke.

Great point Sonny!

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:44 pm “Richard P. Donoghue, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, William F. Sweeney, Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New York Field Office (FBI), and James P. O’Neill, Commissioner, New York City Police Department (NYPD), announced the charges.”

I’d like people to note this.


The US Attorney for the Eastern district of NY, the Assistant Director of the FBI for NY and the FUCKING COMMISSIONER OF THE NYPD announced the charges against..... wait for it... wait for it... 3 made guys accused of GAMBLING AND LOAN.

Can we all think about that.

A couple of guys taking bets (which is legal at casinos and... most of the western world) and giving loans out (go check out a million payday loan firms, credit card companies and note their credit rates) and this draws out the three highest law officials in a city of twenty million people.

Are you fucking kidding.

Go arrest MS13 members cutting people up with machetes or the cartels importing tons of Herion into NYC ya fucking political, career orientated, selfish fucks.
The commissioner of the NYPD has nothing better to do than three guys taking bets in NYC.

What. A. Joke.

Who says Italians aren’t special eh.

What a joke.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:31 pm

Uncle Pete wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:19 am

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:29 pm It should be noted that Fat Jerry Ciauri is probably the same person that Larry Mazza called Fat Jerry Chiarri, a former Wimpy Boys member. His age matches up with the ages of the other Wimpy Boys. Jerry was a leg breaker and goon, but as Larry says, anybody in the Wimpy Boys was/is “makeable.”

Thanks for this info Gohn!

Anyone know who could be running what’s left of the Wimpy Boys/13th Ave crew these days?

There’s been a few isolated incidents of small Colombo busts the past few years. Johny Brains Cerbone, Lukey D, Big Mike Castellano etc. I’d assume the Feds have pressed these guys to roll and have had no luck. Thinking maybe the Colombo war prosecutions have run its course and guys are now willing to do the time for what they are getting pinched for

There are five known, current inducted Wimpy Boys. Daniel ‘Fat Danny’ Capaldo, Ilario ‘Fat Larry’ Sessa and Joseph ‘Joey’ Savarese are known to have been in or at least worked closely with the crew of Colombo LCN capo Theodore ‘Skinny Teddy’ Persico Jr. and former Colombo LCN acting capo Anthony ‘Big Anthony’ Russo.
Jerome ‘Fat Jerry’ Ciauri has operations in Brooklyn and Staten Island and his loansharking, gambling, and money laundering partner, Colombo LCN soldier Vito ‘Victor’ ‘the Mask’ Difalco operated out of a Dyker Heights bar named ‘Tryst Lounge and Bar.’ That’s all we have to go on regarding what crew he’s in.
The last of the five is Gregory Scarpa Jr., whose serving heavy time.

It also should be noted that in 1989(?) Colombo LCN acting boss Victor ‘Little Vic’ Orena split up the inducted Wimpy Boys and Larry Mazza considered them, at that point, to no longer be a functioning crew. However, they didn’t rejoin out of necessity during the Third Colombo War, as Mazza’s book indicates. Who knows how tight knit they are nowadays.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:32 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:54 pmconsumer credit with credit cards, money stores, payday loan companies, small business lending, etc.

So who is the bad guy?
Seriously?
If lending money at 25% is criminal, and 23% is legal, then technically the line is 24%. Right?
But who here thinks a 25% rate is criminal but a 23% is perfectly fine?
Seriously. Think about this for a second.

Why is 25% wrong? On a moral level. Well, because it’s effectively stealing, it’s too much.
On a moral level we say, ‘that level of interest is greedy, it’s not fair, it’s hurting someone egregiously. It’s not a fair repayment.

Yet 2% lower and there is zero moral difference? The minor legal line shift equates to a new moral dimension?

Think about 23% interest. What it does, on a decent level of debt. It DESTROYS people. It DESTROYS families.

I want everyone to think about this:
The US Federal Interst rate is at 1.75%.

I’ll say that again.
The US Federal interest rate is at 1.75%.
Credit card companies are currently charging over TWENTY PERCENT INTEREST. When...

US FEDERAL INTEREST RATES ARE AT 1.75%.

That’s over ten times the federal amount.

How is that not criminal?
Seriously?

And how is only 2% higher, ursury?
Morally wrong.

If we want to talk what’s moral. Ethical. Then we need to include a WHOLE group of industries and people.

Being legally right is no moral standard.

And frankly when the federal lending rate is at 1.75% and you’re charging over ten times that amount, yeah, talking about credit card companies, my response is this, go fuck yourself, because you are the mafia.
There is no argument to justify that. And when you can’t, fuck you, because being legal doesn’t mean you fucks get to act like you didn’t fuck someone.

When you pricks mow your lawns on a Saturday, know that EVERY one of your neighbors is a better person than you.

Money won’t buy you happiness cock sucker.

Rant over.

Uncle Pete wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:19 am

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:29 pm It should be noted that Fat Jerry Ciauri is probably the same person that Larry Mazza called Fat Jerry Chiarri, a former Wimpy Boys member. His age matches up with the ages of the other Wimpy Boys. Jerry was a leg breaker and goon, but as Larry says, anybody in the Wimpy Boys was/is “makeable.”

Thanks for this info Gohn!

Anyone know who could be running what’s left of the Wimpy Boys/13th Ave crew these days?

There’s been a few isolated incidents of small Colombo busts the past few years. Johny Brains Cerbone, Lukey D, Big Mike Castellano etc. I’d assume the Feds have pressed these guys to roll and have had no luck. Thinking maybe the Colombo war prosecutions have run its course and guys are now willing to do the time for what they are getting pinched for

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:29 pm It should be noted that Fat Jerry Ciauri is probably the same person that Larry Mazza called Fat Jerry Chiarri, a former Wimpy Boys member. His age matches up with the ages of the other Wimpy Boys. Jerry was a leg breaker and goon, but as Larry says, anybody in the Wimpy Boys was/is “makeable.”

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 10:32 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:54 pmconsumer credit with credit cards, money stores, payday loan companies, small business lending, etc.

So who is the bad guy?
Seriously?
If lending money at 25% is criminal, and 23% is legal, then technically the line is 24%. Right?
But who here thinks a 25% rate is criminal but a 23% is perfectly fine?
Seriously. Think about this for a second.

Why is 25% wrong? On a moral level. Well, because it’s effectively stealing, it’s too much.
On a moral level we say, ‘that level of interest is greedy, it’s not fair, it’s hurting someone egregiously. It’s not a fair repayment.

Yet 2% lower and there is zero moral difference? The minor legal line shift equates to a new moral dimension?

Think about 23% interest. What it does, on a decent level of debt. It DESTROYS people. It DESTROYS families.

I want everyone to think about this:
The US Federal Interst rate is at 1.75%.

I’ll say that again.
The US Federal interest rate is at 1.75%.
Credit card companies are currently charging over TWENTY PERCENT INTEREST. When...

US FEDERAL INTEREST RATES ARE AT 1.75%.

That’s over ten times the federal amount.

How is that not criminal?
Seriously?

And how is only 2% higher, ursury?
Morally wrong.

If we want to talk what’s moral. Ethical. Then we need to include a WHOLE group of industries and people.

Being legally right is no moral standard.

And frankly when the federal lending rate is at 1.75% and you’re charging over ten times that amount, yeah, talking about credit card companies, my response is this, go fuck yourself, because you are the mafia.
There is no argument to justify that. And when you can’t, fuck you, because being legal doesn’t mean you fucks get to act like you didn’t fuck someone.

When you pricks mow your lawns on a Saturday, know that EVERY one of your neighbors is a better person than you.

Money won’t buy you happiness cock sucker.

Rant over.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:54 pmconsumer credit with credit cards, money stores, payday loan companies, small business lending, etc.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:54 pmwonder what type of money these guys were moving around. always kinda wondered how modern day shylocks do. cant be anything like it was. i can see immigrants being the biggest shy customers but the chinese, dominicans, etc... all have 'their own' people to go to. I wonder what the demographic of LCN loanshark customers is? its gotta be primarily losing gamblers and/or other LCN associates themselves...

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:21 pm

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:54 pm

Eld wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:08 am According to an old article Jerry Ciauri was Robert Zambardi's step-son. He had a bit part in the Steven Segal film Out for Justice.

that movie came out in 91 or 92, so Ciauri would have been in his early 30s in that scene. he looked old for his age in the movie...cant imagine how he must look now at almost 60 lol

I posted a recent photo of him in the Mugshots section.

newera_212 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:54 pm

Eld wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:08 am According to an old article Jerry Ciauri was Robert Zambardi's step-son. He had a bit part in the Steven Segal film Out for Justice.

that movie came out in 91 or 92, so Ciauri would have been in his early 30s in that scene. he looked old for his age in the movie...cant imagine how he must look now at almost 60 lol