THE BLACK HAND FORUM

by **Frank** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:31 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:14 pm
Frank wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:12 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.
If you are going back to the original panel John Gotti named to run the family, that had Juniy and Pete Gotti, DiAmico, Fallia, and Lou Vallero, according to Scars. Corozzo wasn't on the panel till Fallia went to jail or prison. So he took Fallias spot. Scars said no that Nick was never going to replace John Gotti as boss. Also I believe it has been proven that DiAmico was acting boss,in that time period after Nick got out of prison in around 2005.
Yeah, D'Amico was the acting boss and indicted as such in 2008.

Yes , I think alot of people anticipated that when Corozzo got out of prison ,and with Peter Gotti in prison, that Nicky would be the new boss. There has been no facts that have come out of him ever being boss, besides the few years he was on the ruling panel. I agree with you that he is a power in the Family, but never acting or official boss.

by **Wiseguy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:14 pm

Frank wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:12 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.
If you are going back to the original panel John Gotti named to run the family, that had Juniy and Pete Gotti, DiAmico, Fallia, and Lou Vallero, according to Scars. Corozzo wasn't on the panel till Fallia went to jail or prison. So he took Fallias spot. Scars said no that Nick was never going to replace John Gotti as boss. Also I believe it has been proven that DiAmico was acting boss,in that time period after Nick got out of prison in around 2005.

Yeah, D'Amico was the acting boss and indicted as such in 2008.

by **Frank** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:12 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.

If you are going back to the original panel John Gotti named to run the family, that had Juniy and Pete Gotti, DiAmico, Fallia, and Lou Vallero, according to Scars. Corozzo wasn't on the panel till Fallia went to jail or prison. So he took Fallias spot. Scars said no that Nick was never going to replace John Gotti as boss. Also I believe it has been proven that DiAmico was acting boss,in that time period after Nick got out of prison in around 2005.

by **Frank** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:56 pm

chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:25 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.
But the thing is I wasn't trying to claim that he held the position of boss or acting poss or whatever. I was just stating that during the time that Pete had the reigns,everyone looked to Nicky more or less for family matters and seemed like he had more respect on the street than Pete. That's why I stated that when Pete was considered the boss, Nicky was really guiding the family... not in an official position and probsbly without petes knowledge even that Nicky was more influential in matters than Pete even realized.

Nicky was in prison at the time Peter Gotti was acting and then official boss.

by **Frank** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:51 pm

Also Scars said it wasn't true that Nick was going to take Gotti's place as boss in the mid 90s.

by **Wiseguy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:45 pm

chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:25 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.
But the thing is I wasn't trying to claim that he held the position of boss or acting poss or whatever. I was just stating that during the time that Pete had the reigns,everyone looked to Nicky more or less for family matters and seemed like he had more respect on the street than Pete. That's why I stated that when Pete was considered the boss, Nicky was really guiding the family... not in an official position and probsbly without petes knowledge even that Nicky was more influential in matters than Pete even realized.

I'll go as far as to agree that Corozzo held a lot of weight in the family. But to say he was guiding the family seems to suggest he was the sole power behind the throne, the defacto boss so to speak, and I think thats overstating his role. He was one of several influential guys. And when people overstate Corozzo's role, they have tended to understate Peter Gotti. While he is a figurehead now, he wasn't when he was on the street.

by **chubby** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:25 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.

But the thing is I wasn't trying to claim that he held the position of boss or acting poss or whatever. I was just stating that during the time that Pete had the reigns,everyone looked to Nicky more or less for family matters and seemed like he had more respect on the street than Pete. That's why I stated that when Pete was considered the boss, Nicky was really guiding the family... not in an official position and probsbly without petes knowledge even that Nicky was more influential in matters than Pete even realized.

by **Wiseguy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:11 pm

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:55 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.
I don't remmember who was the real acting boss at that time? Was it the panel with him, Jackie d Amico, and (??? Gammarano???)

And yes lota rumors on him. If he wouldn't get busted he had good chance.

Anyoe remembered Gene saying give him the spot?

I don't remember but there were several guys on the panel at one time or another in the 1990s, including when Junior was acting boss. I think Failla was.

I do remember reading articles that said Corozzo looked to be the guy to take over if Gotti Sr. stepped down but he was busted in 1997 and it never happened. He has always remained a well respected captain with an active crew but hes never been the real boss or power behind the throne like some on the forums claimed.

by **newera_212** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 9:07 pm

here is something interesting

https://nypost.com/2005/09/06/loan-shar ... -gambinos/

ive never heard this anywhere else, but this old NY POST article from 2005 regarding a very low level teenage associate (some may recgonize the name for his allegedly racially charged howard beach attack) mentions that Ronald Trucchio was "babysitting" Nick Corozzos crew as of 1997 while Nick was in jail

first i have ever, ever heard of this. and the post may not be the best source. AND "babysitting" may mean just helping, not acting capo...

but i found it interesting. anyone else ever hear/read this?

by **JeremyTheJew** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:55 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm
chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?
Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.

I don't remmember who was the real acting boss at that time? Was it the panel with him, Jackie d Amico, and (??? Gammarano???)

And yes lota rumors on him. If he wouldn't get busted he had good chance.

Anyoe remembered Gene saying give him the spot?

by **Pete** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:25 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:54 am
AndyHaHa wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:07 am I read that article, you think someone who writes about the mafia would know how a sports book works...they don’t get 10 percent of every bet win or lose..if you win you get 100 if you lose you pay 110... if someone went 10-0 at 100 a game you have to payout 1000 and make nothing
I think Kenji was going on the basic theory of bookmaking where, to win $100, a bettor must risk $110. Of course, the idea is to have an equal amount of money wagered on both sides so none of your own money is at risk and you can pay the winners with the losers money while keeping the remaining 10% the loser paid. Obviously laying off bets to balance them out is often needed. But what's strange is Kenji claimed on the RD forum that layoffs weren't really needed. I'm not sure how that works since there's usually going to be a favorite and an underdog.

Many big books don’t lay off they just roll with it and they have good and bad weeks but end up good in the long haul. Small books lay off because they can’t handle having a really bad week

by **Wiseguy** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:56 pm

chubby wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo
Was this addressed to me?

Yes, Pogo is saying that was a claim made by several people on the forums over the years and it was shown not to be true. Corozzo was always a captain, on the ruling panel back in the 1990s if I recall, but was never the real boss or running things from behind the scenes.

by **chubby** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:12 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo

Was this addressed to me?

by **Pogo The Clown** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:05 am

Yeah and that has been debunked several times over already.

Pogo

by **chubby** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:47 am

I also heard when Pete gotti was considered boss in names that it was well known that the little guy (Nicky) was really the one steering the ship.

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