THE BLACK HAND FORUM

TommyNoto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:41 pm It actually a Hilton on water st but this company has numerous huge brand name hotels they are building , Marriot , Double tree , Chelsea , marquis and with some of the top hotel developers in the country .

No this has nothing to do with the building sale for $20m.

This is a large GC operating in Manhatten , Brooklyn and even Atlanta and CA . Seems they build a lot of hotels , condo apartments , complex renovation and building high end restaurants .

TommyNoto wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:26 pm It's basically done now, it's on water street in lower Manhatten , I think it's a Hampton inn but the GC was the Jersey City contractor that got fined for unsafe work conditions after a worker died on site via accident , I think heavy materials fell on him. The bigger mystery imo was he sold this company I think 2 years ago and the acquirer was another large GC with Italian mngt. I think the press release about the acquisition said the combined company had something like $300m in annual revenue . I wish i knew what went on there as there must have been some real big sit downs over that as both these GC company's were the GC for huge $25-50m type in Manhatten , real players in NYC construction .

Snakes wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:54 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:33 pm

Snakes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:03 pm I'm not necessarily arguing against him being it but he did serve two years in prison in the mid-nineties and would have served several more if not for a successful appeal. Louis Marino was also named by Calabrese as being present but, unlike Marcello's involvement, lacked the corroborating evidence which could have resulted in a conviction.

Then why did the Feds TRY to indict Gotti SEVERAL times without any corroborating evidence before they finally got him with Gravano?
The Feds ALWAYS try. They didn't even try with DiFronzo. Seems really odd? Marino was already in Jail during the Family Secrets Trial so mentioning him I would think is irrelevant. It looked like the Feds DIDN'T WANT to take a chance of getting a conviction against DiFronzo because they needed him on the street, at least at that time. Isn't he senile now?

The first two Gotti acquitals were the result of a scared witness and a bribed juror. The third was a state case that should have never gone to trial in the first place.

Additionally, DiFronzo was listed as an expected defendant by the FBI themselves in Nick Calabrese's threat evaluation report prior to the indictments being handed down. This meant that they were actively pursuing an indictment against DiFronzo in this case. If they had no intention of indicting hm, I doubt they would have included him here. The Feds tend to not bring cases to trial unless their chances for conviction are high. In hindsight, it's easy to say that Nick was a credible witness but at the time they had no idea if he would be viewed as such. Thus they needed more than just Nick's word to indict (let alone convict), such as some type of physical evidence, a phone conversation (in Marcello's case) or discussing murders on a wire (as Frank, Sr. did).

Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:33 pm

Snakes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:03 pm I'm not necessarily arguing against him being it but he did serve two years in prison in the mid-nineties and would have served several more if not for a successful appeal. Louis Marino was also named by Calabrese as being present but, unlike Marcello's involvement, lacked the corroborating evidence which could have resulted in a conviction.

Then why did the Feds TRY to indict Gotti SEVERAL times without any corroborating evidence before they finally got him with Gravano?
The Feds ALWAYS try. They didn't even try with DiFronzo. Seems really odd? Marino was already in Jail during the Family Secrets Trial so mentioning him I would think is irrelevant. It looked like the Feds DIDN'T WANT to take a chance of getting a conviction against DiFronzo because they needed him on the street, at least at that time. Isn't he senile now?

Snakes wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:03 pm I'm not necessarily arguing against him being it but he did serve two years in prison in the mid-nineties and would have served several more if not for a successful appeal. Louis Marino was also named by Calabrese as being present but, unlike Marcello's involvement, lacked the corroborating evidence which could have resulted in a conviction.

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:45 am

Snakes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:41 pm I don't believe it is/was DiFronzo. They wouldn't have used "alleged" to describe his status since it's been known for years that he has been part of Outfit leadership.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Journalists sometimes use terms like "alleged" or "reputed," sometimes they don't. Both were used at times for John Gotti, who's position in the mob was hardly a secret. Anyway, it may be that DiFronzo is not one of those informers. But, if that's the case, he's had a rather unusual and long run of good luck over the past 25 years. Especially considering he was among those identified by Nick Calabrese as being present when the Spilotros were killed.

Snakes wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:41 pm I don't believe it is/was DiFronzo. They wouldn't have used "alleged" to describe his status since it's been known for years that he has been part of Outfit leadership.