by Villain » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:50 am
Frank wrote: ↑Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:35 pm
Dated material or not it all sounds very possible. Very, very good article. It's very possible with all your evidence that Ricca was the boss after Al. And that Nitto was a Capo only, being misidentified as boss. The Chicago Outfit, Genovese's post Vito's inprisonmant and the Gambino's of the post John Gotti are hard to figure out. The Outfit since Al. I think I have the Outfit leadership since Giancana figured out, but not 100 percent certain lol.
Thank you and I agree that the Outfit was and still is one of the most complicated and mysterious factions in US Cosa Nostra, as you said, since the days of Al. For me personally the main reason for this was the huge attention which was brought by Al. I mean there were some countries during that period without radio or even newspapers only regarding their local activities but still, somehow they managed to hear regarding the big time boss. My grandmother used to talk about Capone, my mother did the same thing...nobody ever mentioned Luciano or Lansy when I was a kid but when somebody mention Chicago, instantly in everybodys mind there was the picture of the big fella.
So Ricca and boys had a tough job in maintaining the organization under the radar but still I believe that they succeeded doing it for a very long time. Obviously many of them went to jail a couple of times but by the end of the day, most of the time they were free on the streets and died in that style. On top of that, at one point they controlled the most powerful criminal organization in the country and possibly the world.
As for Nittos high stature during the Capone days, it is quite possible since many history books or newspaper articles claim the same thing and if you look at some of his records, he was always arrested with the big boys and one time I think that he was arrested with Capones books but im not sure. But when Capone went away, his closest underlings were no more at the top. Accrding to his record, during the next decade he was arrested with members of lower rank such as Louis Fratto. Together they were arrested in a car and Nitto was driving. You see, eventhough Al was Riccas best man at his wedding (1926 or 27), still Ricca came from the West Side and previously worked for Esposito who in turn was connected to the Mafia if not a member besides his non-Sicilian roots. Also Campagna was imported from NY in 1928 i think on the citys West Side, so this means that "recent" members and allies took over his organization, instead of his closest people.
If you ask me, Nitto even did not have the time for the top position, since first he was jailed for more than a year and after he was shot and almost killed which gave him an additional year to get back on track. So thats more than two years regarding Nittos absence from the stage and Im talking about the period when Prohibition ended
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Dated material or not it all sounds very possible. Very, very good article. It's very possible with all your evidence that Ricca was the boss after Al. And that Nitto was a Capo only, being misidentified as boss. The Chicago Outfit, Genovese's post Vito's inprisonmant and the Gambino's of the post John Gotti are hard to figure out. The Outfit since Al. I think I have the Outfit leadership since Giancana figured out, but not 100 percent certain lol.
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Thank you and I agree that the Outfit was and still is one of the most complicated and mysterious factions in US Cosa Nostra, as you said, since the days of Al. For me personally the main reason for this was the huge attention which was brought by Al. I mean there were some countries during that period without radio or even newspapers only regarding their local activities but still, somehow they managed to hear regarding the big time boss. My grandmother used to talk about Capone, my mother did the same thing...nobody ever mentioned Luciano or Lansy when I was a kid but when somebody mention Chicago, instantly in everybodys mind there was the picture of the big fella.
So Ricca and boys had a tough job in maintaining the organization under the radar but still I believe that they succeeded doing it for a very long time. Obviously many of them went to jail a couple of times but by the end of the day, most of the time they were free on the streets and died in that style. On top of that, at one point they controlled the most powerful criminal organization in the country and possibly the world.
As for Nittos high stature during the Capone days, it is quite possible since many history books or newspaper articles claim the same thing and if you look at some of his records, he was always arrested with the big boys and one time I think that he was arrested with Capones books but im not sure. But when Capone went away, his closest underlings were no more at the top. Accrding to his record, during the next decade he was arrested with members of lower rank such as Louis Fratto. Together they were arrested in a car and Nitto was driving. You see, eventhough Al was Riccas best man at his wedding (1926 or 27), still Ricca came from the West Side and previously worked for Esposito who in turn was connected to the Mafia if not a member besides his non-Sicilian roots. Also Campagna was imported from NY in 1928 i think on the citys West Side, so this means that "recent" members and allies took over his organization, instead of his closest people.
If you ask me, Nitto even did not have the time for the top position, since first he was jailed for more than a year and after he was shot and almost killed which gave him an additional year to get back on track. So thats more than two years regarding Nittos absence from the stage and Im talking about the period when Prohibition ended