by Villain » Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:14 am
Stroccos wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:44 am
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:16 pm
Adam wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:38 pm
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:51 am
Since I know almost nothing regarding the Detriot Mob, can someone please explain to me how can Licavoli as an alleged advisor or underboss for the group chair a meeting in Arizona between the most important bosses at the time (Thanksgiving day in 1958) such as Joe Bonanno, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco and Tony Accardo. Was his status higher back than or he simply represented Detroit's interests?
Do you have more information on that 1958 meeting? For some reason I don't think I've come across that one. But Licavoli representing Detroit seems perfectly normal. Do keep in mind that it's not really clear that Detroit operated on a strict structure of boss-underboss-consigliere-captain-soldier in the 50s and 60s. Or before or after for that matter. Detroit officials in 1963 described the family being run by a ruling council as opposed to a boss/underboss situation. But with Joseph Zerilli being the most important. In 1958 the council would have been Joseph Zerilli, William Tocco, Angelo Meli, John Priziola and Pete Licavoli and they'd all been working closely together for the past 30-40 years. More of a working together situation as opposed to a "you report to me" kind of thing. So in 1958 I don't think it would have been odd for any of them to be treated as a boss representing Detroit as a whole in a meeting with Bonanno, Profaci and Accardo. And that's assuming that the meeting wasn't just about Licavoli's own personal business that might not have involved others. I don't know the context.
Thanks a lot Adam, that clears a lot of my personal confusion regarding Licavoli and the Detroit family during that time period. As for the alleged meeting, I believe I came across that information when I was doing some research on Chicago's influence in Arizona and I dont really have much info regarding the event except which I already said that it occurred on Thanksgiving Day in 1958 and in addition, the feds allegedly dubbed the so-called Mob conference something like "the meeting of the four Joes" since Accardo was also known as Joe Batters.
Interesting , Licavoli was senteced to prison in July 1958 , if i recall correcly it was 2 years for tax evasion. I wonder if he got a thanksgiving forlough
The last time I did some reasearch on the Outfit's influence in Arizona was three years ago and so I had to go back and look for the information and at first I thought that it came from the Arizona Project but instead, it came from one newspaper article which I believe the link is now dead but luckily someone copied a part from the story. When I re-read it, it is possible that they only used his ranch n Arizona for the meeting...
March 22, 1977
Phoenix Millionaire Linked to Bolles Slaying
….When Prohibition was repealed in 1933, Marley organized the wholesale liquor business that eventually became the United Liquor Co., with branches all over Arizona.
There were hints honesty was not the watchword for Marley’s liquor business. In 1948, two employees were fined and sentenced to terms of imprisonment for making false reports to the government on distilled liquor sales. One of those employes had his jail sentence suspended. (McCain’s father in law, James W. Hensley was that employee….)
In 1953, Marley’s Phoenix and Tucson distributorships were accused of falsifying records to avoid paying liquor taxes, but were found innocent.
As Marley’s liquor business grew, he took part in other business ventures – a frozen food locker, a bottling plant, a sheep-raising business, and ranching operations. In 1946, according to police sources, Marley took up still another line of business, one that brought him into contact with organized crime.
In that year, he and several others, including Cosa Nostra mobster Peter Licavoli took over the racing wire service for bookies in Arizona, police said. The service was the original Transamerica Wire Service established by mobster Gus Greenbaum for the Al Capone mob prior to 1941.
At the time, Greenbaum was concentrating on establishing hotel-casinos for the mob in Las Vegas. Late in the 1940s, Marley and his associates were instructed by the Chicago Syndicate to move Greenbaum out of the Phoenix wire service, and they did so, police sources said.
But Greenbaum had problems. The following information was obtained by IRE from a confidential Phoenix Police Dept. report: “As Greenbaum grew bigger and stronger in Las Vegas, he began cheating his partners and was ordered to sell out or he would be carried out in a box. In early December, 1958, a meeting was held at the Grace Ranch of Peter Licavoli Sr. (Tucson). At this meeting were Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco, Joseph Bonanno Sr., and Tony Accardo (all mob bosses)”…
The next day, on Dec. 3, 1958, Greenbaum and his wife were found dead in their Phoenix home with their throats slit. James (Jimmy) Aaron, a partner of Greenbaum who police said helped Marley run the wire service, shot himself a year later after leaving a note saying he feared he was going insane.
Others who managed the wire-service operation for Marley included confessed bookie Clarence E. (Mike) Newman, gambler Clarence E. (Teak) Baldwin, who was convicted of tax evasion in 1956, and Pete Abbey, police sources said.
Abbey, manager of the private, exclusive Cowman’s Club in east Phoenix, was indicted last October on 60 counts of sports bookmaking for an operation at the club that police said was raking in $300,000 a month in bets….
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Since I know almost nothing regarding the Detriot Mob, can someone please explain to me how can Licavoli as an alleged advisor or underboss for the group chair a meeting in Arizona between the most important bosses at the time (Thanksgiving day in 1958) such as Joe Bonanno, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco and Tony Accardo. Was his status higher back than or he simply represented Detroit's interests?
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Do you have more information on that 1958 meeting? For some reason I don't think I've come across that one. But Licavoli representing Detroit seems perfectly normal. Do keep in mind that it's not really clear that Detroit operated on a strict structure of boss-underboss-consigliere-captain-soldier in the 50s and 60s. Or before or after for that matter. Detroit officials in 1963 described the family being run by a ruling council as opposed to a boss/underboss situation. But with Joseph Zerilli being the most important. In 1958 the council would have been Joseph Zerilli, William Tocco, Angelo Meli, John Priziola and Pete Licavoli and they'd all been working closely together for the past 30-40 years. More of a working together situation as opposed to a "you report to me" kind of thing. So in 1958 I don't think it would have been odd for any of them to be treated as a boss representing Detroit as a whole in a meeting with Bonanno, Profaci and Accardo. And that's assuming that the meeting wasn't just about Licavoli's own personal business that might not have involved others. I don't know the context.
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Thanks a lot Adam, that clears a lot of my personal confusion regarding Licavoli and the Detroit family during that time period. As for the alleged meeting, I believe I came across that information when I was doing some research on Chicago's influence in Arizona and I dont really have much info regarding the event except which I already said that it occurred on Thanksgiving Day in 1958 and in addition, the feds allegedly dubbed the so-called Mob conference something like "the meeting of the four Joes" since Accardo was also known as Joe Batters.
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Interesting , Licavoli was senteced to prison in July 1958 , if i recall correcly it was 2 years for tax evasion. I wonder if he got a thanksgiving forlough
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The last time I did some reasearch on the Outfit's influence in Arizona was three years ago and so I had to go back and look for the information and at first I thought that it came from the Arizona Project but instead, it came from one newspaper article which I believe the link is now dead but luckily someone copied a part from the story. When I re-read it, it is possible that they only used his ranch n Arizona for the meeting...
March 22, 1977
Phoenix Millionaire Linked to Bolles Slaying
….When Prohibition was repealed in 1933, Marley organized the wholesale liquor business that eventually became the United Liquor Co., with branches all over Arizona.
There were hints honesty was not the watchword for Marley’s liquor business. In 1948, two employees were fined and sentenced to terms of imprisonment for making false reports to the government on distilled liquor sales. One of those employes had his jail sentence suspended. (McCain’s father in law, James W. Hensley was that employee….)
In 1953, Marley’s Phoenix and Tucson distributorships were accused of falsifying records to avoid paying liquor taxes, but were found innocent.
As Marley’s liquor business grew, he took part in other business ventures – a frozen food locker, a bottling plant, a sheep-raising business, and ranching operations. In 1946, according to police sources, Marley took up still another line of business, one that brought him into contact with organized crime.
In that year, he and several others, including Cosa Nostra mobster Peter Licavoli took over the racing wire service for bookies in Arizona, police said. The service was the original Transamerica Wire Service established by mobster Gus Greenbaum for the Al Capone mob prior to 1941.
At the time, Greenbaum was concentrating on establishing hotel-casinos for the mob in Las Vegas. Late in the 1940s, Marley and his associates were instructed by the Chicago Syndicate to move Greenbaum out of the Phoenix wire service, and they did so, police sources said.
[b]But Greenbaum had problems. The following information was obtained by IRE from a confidential Phoenix Police Dept. report: “As Greenbaum grew bigger and stronger in Las Vegas, he began cheating his partners and was ordered to sell out or he would be carried out in a box. In early December, 1958, a meeting was held at the Grace Ranch of Peter Licavoli Sr. (Tucson). At this meeting were Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco, Joseph Bonanno Sr., and Tony Accardo (all mob bosses)”…[/b]
The next day, on Dec. 3, 1958, Greenbaum and his wife were found dead in their Phoenix home with their throats slit. James (Jimmy) Aaron, a partner of Greenbaum who police said helped Marley run the wire service, shot himself a year later after leaving a note saying he feared he was going insane.
Others who managed the wire-service operation for Marley included confessed bookie Clarence E. (Mike) Newman, gambler Clarence E. (Teak) Baldwin, who was convicted of tax evasion in 1956, and Pete Abbey, police sources said.
Abbey, manager of the private, exclusive Cowman’s Club in east Phoenix, was indicted last October on 60 counts of sports bookmaking for an operation at the club that police said was raking in $300,000 a month in bets….