THE BLACK HAND FORUM

...whilst interest rates are at 1%. Those old enough remember the 80's with interest rates at 18%. These things are cyclical and rates will rise again. Even 5% is 4 times current rates. Four times. That's at 5%. Imagine 10%, let alone 20.

The fed has been printing money for too long. And with the inevitable rise in inflation, rates will follow. These things are basic and fundamental. History is full of examples mirroring this exact circumstance.

And yet we think we're different. That our situation is unique. Just as every generation thinks the same. The only consistancy in human beings is our short memories and lack of knowledge and respect of history. History is our best and only gauge of the future and we ignore it at our peril.

The house of cards will fall. Artificial economies can't last by their definition. The Fed, the smartest people ever, will be responsible for the largest economic collapse of our lifetime.

Money blinds.

Here endeth the lecture

Bronx guys rarely rat at least from what I can tell

He has(d) a lot of west side support for years, heavies too and I don't see Madonna talking murda around anyone he isn't completely sure of and you can probably count the # of such guys on his hands.

I don't see it and we still don't know the strength of the case as recently the big cases have fizzled and it's no coincidence this is occurring when LE resources dedicated to LCN are at an all time low while that Luchesse crew is likely the most wealthy they have ever been .

But hey you never know and I bet a lot of guys are worried and I'm more interested in the west side side of things as I have a hunch they have a large well run construction group doing many large projects ( and god knows what else as I think they are savvy today with who they are surrounded by ). With that family were never going to learn anything until a guy from another family like Crea rolls IMO . I think BB is well insulated and will be hard to get to and I wouldn't be surprised if he mainly/only takes legit backed up payments as he seems to really limit his exposure. Plus with real estate values in the Bronx / Westchester area having rapidly appreciated he probably has a $15-$25M ++ real estate portfolio . Shoot a single apartment building he owns in the Bronx could be $25M alone today lol and that's only funny because it's likely true.

Anyway still alot of Street shit going on in NYC as we are reading about shootings and beat downs all over the place amongst all crews except Columbos . Not like the old days but clearly some real shit going on and I think some of these crews have some substantial real estate holdings , NYC , Boken , JC was expensive in 80s but not like today where everything starts with a millions +.

NYNighthawk wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:56 pm
I don't think Crea, Sr. cares about his son getting life or not. Would he pull a Joe Massino after being convicted? I do think so. Face it - you're 69 years old- done little or no time your entire mob career (Crea Sr). You made your money - stayed under the radar and now have to think about waking up in a cell 1,000 miles from home in Utah. You have to negotiate with Aryan Brothers to watch out for you because of your age against the gangbanger punks from Compton who will be near your cell and yard space.

Casso would have had Crea - perhaps both Sr and Jr - whacked if he had more time out on the streets before he was pinched. Put it all together and it only makes sense to flip now rather than later. I'm sure he will be allowed to keep some money and go into WITSEC and live out his next to 10/15 years in relative peace. It's your move Steve! Absolutely agree.

People swore until they were blue in the face Massino would never roll.

Crea has a choice to make not just for him, but for his kid as well.

And that adds another dimension.

+1

This is a capital murder case - the rules change with that factor. No bail for defendants and an anonymous jury. It raises the stakes for any defendant.

Teddy Persico wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:59 pm

Rocco wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:41 am

OlBlueEyesClub wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:46 am Good article about Crea Nighthawk. I definitely can see now how Crea could possibly flip, he's never served a substantial amount of prison time. Its gonna be interesting to see what happens.

Or his son. He could Flip to save his son as well. Or his Son could flip on his own as well. I am very surprised the Black guy hasn't rolled yet? Also Londonio? Those two should be flipping as I write this.

Everyone should be flipping left and right!

Pretty much, They must have pretty good tapes to charge that many people with murder.... Still plenty of time...

Stroccos wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:23 am

Rocco wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:41 am

OlBlueEyesClub wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:46 am Good article about Crea Nighthawk. I definitely can see now how Crea could possibly flip, he's never served a substantial amount of prison time. Its gonna be interesting to see what happens.

Or his son. He could Flip to save his son as well. Or his Son could flip on his own as well. I am very surprised the Black guy hasn't rolled yet? Also Londonio? Those two should be flipping as I write this.

Some people its not in there DNA to flip , if that was my son and the murder charges look solid I would get A message to him to flip on me , no sense in both father and son dying in the can.

On the outside looking in....I cant imagine ever bringing my child into a life of crime.

Rocco wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:41 am

OlBlueEyesClub wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:46 am Good article about Crea Nighthawk. I definitely can see now how Crea could possibly flip, he's never served a substantial amount of prison time. Its gonna be interesting to see what happens.

Or his son. He could Flip to save his son as well. Or his Son could flip on his own as well. I am very surprised the Black guy hasn't rolled yet? Also Londonio? Those two should be flipping as I write this.

Everyone should be flipping left and right!

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:51 pm I checked. Crea Sr. is on there.


Pogo

The only entry for crea sr I see shows him released in 06 from his last conviction. If he's in custody it should say where he is and what his status is

I checked. Crea Sr. is on there.


Pogo

Why are neither crea sr or jr showing on the fed inmate search? Did they let these guys bond out?

If Crea Snr wanted to flip, the damage he could do, the Feds would easily accept immunity for himself and his son.

And the Feds would want Snr to roll, not Jnr.

Rocco wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:41 am

OlBlueEyesClub wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:46 am Good article about Crea Nighthawk. I definitely can see now how Crea could possibly flip, he's never served a substantial amount of prison time. Its gonna be interesting to see what happens.

Or his son. He could Flip to save his son as well. Or his Son could flip on his own as well. I am very surprised the Black guy hasn't rolled yet? Also Londonio? Those two should be flipping as I write this.

Some people its not in there DNA to flip , if that was my son and the murder charges look solid I would get A message to him to flip on me , no sense in both father and son dying in the can.

OlBlueEyesClub wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:46 am Good article about Crea Nighthawk. I definitely can see now how Crea could possibly flip, he's never served a substantial amount of prison time. Its gonna be interesting to see what happens.

Or his son. He could Flip to save his son as well. Or his Son could flip on his own as well. I am very surprised the Black guy hasn't rolled yet? Also Londonio? Those two should be flipping as I write this.

Youve lost me.

The way I understand Snakes's statement is 95% of people who get 15yrs or more serve time and dont rat. I agree with this ballpark guesstimate.
I thought you were saying its only about 50% but you are responding thats not your point. if this isnt your point I dont know what you are trying to say.
I fear we're veering too far off topic and will let the argument rest.

And by the way 50/50 is a rough estimate, not something that I consider concrete.