by B. » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:19 pm
Snakes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:31 am
B. wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:36 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:38 am
As well as his claim that only John Gambino backed Stanfa as boss and the actual bosses wouldn't recognize him because he was made in Sicily.
This is one I'm curious about.
I believe it was Toto who posted about Nino Giuffre's testimony where he said John Stanfa attended his making ceremony in Caccamo and stood in as his sponsor, which indicates Stanfa was a member or at least "recognized" by the Caccamo family.
Angelo Bruno inducted Al Amedeo into the Philadelphia family, then later Amedeo moved to Sicily and supposedly transferred to the Sicilian mafia (of which his father was a member), so there is a precedent for Philly-Sicily transfers. Bruno also recognized his Sicilian cousin Sinatra as well as Rosario Gambino's membership even though Gotti apparently didn't recognize Gambino's membership. It wouldn't shock me if Stanfa was made in Sicily and allowed to transfer into the Philadelphia family under Bruno.
The Stefanelli tapes indicate that the Lucchese family still recognized Scarfo as official boss of Philadelphia as recent as the early 2010s. So that's one family that likely didn't recognize Stanfa as boss. Have any of the high-ranking NY CWs from the early 90s like Gravano, D'Arco, Sessa, Vitale, etc. mentioned anything about Stanfa?
Serpiente over on BB (I know, big deal, right?) doesn't even think Merlino is made if Stanfa was the one that made him. But he does raise an interesting point in that if NY didn't recognize Stanfa as boss and Stanfa wasn't acting in an official capacity for Scarfo, could he make someone? I think it falls into that Galante category wherein enough made people recognized him as boss that it legitimized his ceremonies.
Not to mention, the NY families currently not only recognize Merlino as made but as boss of Philly.
That's an interesting point about Merlino's status. The same would also apply for all of the other guys Stanfa made, though, like Massimino and Lucibello. What sort of legitimizes Stanfa is that Anthony Piccolo and the other family leaders recognized him as boss, attended ceremonies, etc. We know from the Goodfella tapes that Sparacino initially didn't support Stanfa as boss but he did fall in line eventually.
Seems the Luccheses didn't recognize Merlino either, if I remember right. It's confusing, though, because one reason for Scarfo Jr.'s demotion was him trying to take over Philly, but at the same time the Luccheses (or certain Lucchese leaders, i.e. Amuso?) were standing behind Scarfo Sr. What I know of the situation is all very vague, though -- maybe Chucky remembers or has seen more on this.
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As well as his claim that only John Gambino backed Stanfa as boss and the actual bosses wouldn't recognize him because he was made in Sicily.
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This is one I'm curious about.
I believe it was Toto who posted about Nino Giuffre's testimony where he said John Stanfa attended his making ceremony in Caccamo and stood in as his sponsor, which indicates Stanfa was a member or at least "recognized" by the Caccamo family.
Angelo Bruno inducted Al Amedeo into the Philadelphia family, then later Amedeo moved to Sicily and supposedly transferred to the Sicilian mafia (of which his father was a member), so there is a precedent for Philly-Sicily transfers. Bruno also recognized his Sicilian cousin Sinatra as well as Rosario Gambino's membership even though Gotti apparently didn't recognize Gambino's membership. It wouldn't shock me if Stanfa was made in Sicily and allowed to transfer into the Philadelphia family under Bruno.
The Stefanelli tapes indicate that the Lucchese family still recognized Scarfo as official boss of Philadelphia as recent as the early 2010s. So that's one family that likely didn't recognize Stanfa as boss. Have any of the high-ranking NY CWs from the early 90s like Gravano, D'Arco, Sessa, Vitale, etc. mentioned anything about Stanfa?
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Serpiente over on BB (I know, big deal, right?) doesn't even think Merlino is made if Stanfa was the one that made him. But he does raise an interesting point in that if NY didn't recognize Stanfa as boss and Stanfa wasn't acting in an official capacity for Scarfo, could he make someone? I think it falls into that Galante category wherein enough made people recognized him as boss that it legitimized his ceremonies.
Not to mention, the NY families currently not only recognize Merlino as made but as boss of Philly.
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That's an interesting point about Merlino's status. The same would also apply for all of the other guys Stanfa made, though, like Massimino and Lucibello. What sort of legitimizes Stanfa is that Anthony Piccolo and the other family leaders recognized him as boss, attended ceremonies, etc. We know from the Goodfella tapes that Sparacino initially didn't support Stanfa as boss but he did fall in line eventually.
Seems the Luccheses didn't recognize Merlino either, if I remember right. It's confusing, though, because one reason for Scarfo Jr.'s demotion was him trying to take over Philly, but at the same time the Luccheses (or certain Lucchese leaders, i.e. Amuso?) were standing behind Scarfo Sr. What I know of the situation is all very vague, though -- maybe Chucky remembers or has seen more on this.