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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by OlBlueEyesClub » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:53 am

Rocco wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:
Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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They could have freaked out and just split without the money when he realized he just shot and killed someone. People that have never killed before all act differently. Its possible he just freaked out and split and it was suppose to be a robbery. He is not cooperating so who knows? I don't think its OC related though.

Agreed. That's what I was thinking when reading through the thread. He could've just been spooked.

Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:25 pm

Rocco wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:
Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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They could have freaked out and just split without the money when he realized he just shot and killed someone. People that have never killed before all act differently. Its possible he just freaked out and split and it was suppose to be a robbery. He is not cooperating so who knows? I don't think its OC related though.
Very true... Guess we will have to wait and see what comes of everything


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by Rocco » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:02 pm

phatmatress777 wrote:
Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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They could have freaked out and just split without the money when he realized he just shot and killed someone. People that have never killed before all act differently. Its possible he just freaked out and split and it was suppose to be a robbery. He is not cooperating so who knows? I don't think its OC related though.

Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:14 pm

Mukremin wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:
Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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Interesting conversation lads. Never have thought about it like this. It gave me a different view that's for certain. Respect.
Yes something is very strange about the case regardless even if it was a hired hit... Wouldn't the murderer take the 15 grand as an added bonus? Why leave the money it just makes no sense to me.... Perhaps the leaving of the money is a message or something like that... It just seems highly unlikely that a drug addict would just kill like that and leave the money? Was he instructed to leave the money and paid more by organized crime ???? Lots of loose ends I think


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by Mukremin » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:51 pm

phatmatress777 wrote:
Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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Interesting conversation lads. Never have thought about it like this. It gave me a different view that's for certain. Respect.

Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:31 pm

I still have your number if u don't have mine pm on here I'm still on my Facebook ban lol


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:26 pm

Chris Christie wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:But the only way the son will get better is if he wants to... I had to hit rock bottom my family was done with me I was in all sorts of legal troubles I was homeless I was a shitty human being. I would rob swindle and steal whatever I could. I hated the person looking back at me in the mirror. It took a lot of work to get to where I'm at today but it was well worth it. Recovery is something that cannot be forced. If a drug addict doesn't want help they will just simply piss on it and go on about they're addiction. Let the mother know it is possible and to not give up hope but perhaps try some tough love. Idk if she's an enabler but mine were and that really fueled my addiction.


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We are friends offline of this forum, what I would like to do - if you're willing - is for me to visit the person and while there give you a call so you can advise her. Her main concern will be for her child, how to help him, what to do. I've already explained to her the obvious - that she's done all she could - but its a subject matter I'm not very knowledgeable on. She attends meetings and realizes that by helping him with anything that she is enabling him and that he is a manipulator, but is still unable to do anything about it. This woman is a generally nice person and she is getting up there in age and needs to focus on her own health rather than that of her mid-40 year old son who's been an addict for more than three decades.
Yes that would be great I'm working 6 to 6am so we can def set up a time and day and I would be more than happy to speak with her and you and help the best I can. My answers may not be text book responses but I don't believe this a text book problem.


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by Angelo Santino » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:23 pm

phatmatress777 wrote:But the only way the son will get better is if he wants to... I had to hit rock bottom my family was done with me I was in all sorts of legal troubles I was homeless I was a shitty human being. I would rob swindle and steal whatever I could. I hated the person looking back at me in the mirror. It took a lot of work to get to where I'm at today but it was well worth it. Recovery is something that cannot be forced. If a drug addict doesn't want help they will just simply piss on it and go on about they're addiction. Let the mother know it is possible and to not give up hope but perhaps try some tough love. Idk if she's an enabler but mine were and that really fueled my addiction.


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We are friends offline of this forum, what I would like to do - if you're willing - is for me to visit the person and while there give you a call so you can advise her. Her main concern will be for her child, how to help him, what to do. I've already explained to her the obvious - that she's done all she could - but its a subject matter I'm not very knowledgeable on. She attends meetings and realizes that by helping him with anything that she is enabling him and that he is a manipulator, but is still unable to do anything about it. This woman is a generally nice person and she is getting up there in age and needs to focus on her own health rather than that of her mid-40 year old son who's been an addict for more than three decades.

Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:44 pm

But the only way the son will get better is if he wants to... I had to hit rock bottom my family was done with me I was in all sorts of legal troubles I was homeless I was a shitty human being. I would rob swindle and steal whatever I could. I hated the person looking back at me in the mirror. It took a lot of work to get to where I'm at today but it was well worth it. Recovery is something that cannot be forced. If a drug addict doesn't want help they will just simply piss on it and go on about they're addiction. Let the mother know it is possible and to not give up hope but perhaps try some tough love. Idk if she's an enabler but mine were and that really fueled my addiction.


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:40 pm

Sorry for the poor misspellings in that pervious post my mind was thinking faster than my iPhone's keyboard lol


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:39 pm

Chris Christie wrote:
phatmatress777 wrote:
Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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If you could, can you go into more detail? I know someone who's son is an addict and cannot seem to get his life together. The mother, a friend of mine, is beside herself and feels somewhat. responsible.
What would you like to know? I'd be more willing to share publicly or privately but in first hand expierence it's not the mothers fault. And I'm not gonna debate the it's a disease it's not a disease argument imo it's a personality disorder... I over do anything wether it be drugs Mafia knowledge working out I have to have it all the most I can get..: but the words I spoke come straight from Bill Wilson the founder of AA... People who go deep into addiction get to the point of selfishness (not caring about anyone but themselves I know in my days addiction was stronger than love loyalty friendship) self centered I only cared about myself and what I needed to get high and egotisical wanting to feel superior wether it be mood enhancing the life of the party of acceptance in society ... These are character defects that offer are present before addiction but are brought to a raging head from drugs or alcohol. Which is why I believe the murder would have taken the money if it was a personal beef. He suffers from these character defects. But any questions or discussions you would like to have just let me know I've known you for a long time on and off the boards you know I will give you my honest look on things and won't hold anything back.


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by Angelo Santino » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:28 pm

phatmatress777 wrote:
Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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If you could, can you go into more detail? I know someone who's son is an addict and cannot seem to get his life together. The mother, a friend of mine, is beside herself and feels somewhat responsible.

Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by phatmatress777 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:34 pm

Mukremin wrote:Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?
Imo any drug person with a history like that would have taken the money... Very odd. ... Drug addicts cause of addictions is because we are selfish self centered egotistical people....


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Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by Mukremin » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:14 am

Thanks for sharing.

It looks like a personal beef yeah, no known relation to the mob and with a drug past. The drug thing should be enough anyways.

Could it be just the OC squad stumbled upon it while investigating?

Re: Gangland:12/8/16

by B. » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:52 am

Pogo The Clown wrote:Capeci really should be doing more of these obituaries. Every column should include a mention of any made members who have died. A lot of times these members die and it flies under the radar.
Yeah, he also tends to be pretty good at providing info on what inactive guys have been up to leading up to their deaths.

That Barbati murder does not sound like an attempted robbery at all. The guy laid in wait for an hour, killed him, then fled without taking anything, plus the OC squad were in charge of the investigation. Either it was a personal beef or a hit, hard to see it any other way at this point.

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