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Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by thekiduknow » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:09 am

Do we know why/how the Zips were brought in on the Galante murder? From what I recall, he had a strong relationship with them going back to the 57 Palermo meeting, and they were were ostensibly his bodyguards the day of, and I would assume well before his murder.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by B. » Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:09 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:46 pm So who was Profaci's legitimate successor then?
They didn't have an official boss from the time of Profaci's death until Joe Colombo was selected. Side note, but apparently the Commission didn't allow members to "campaign" for boss, so Colombo did this secretly ala Gotti and Massino. Even though bosses were voted in by the membership historically, I would guess that in many cases things were arranged behind the scenes and the voting was just a formality. Because the consigliere was voted in, too, I'm reminded of Riccobene being recorded telling Scarfo, Testa, etc. that he never remembers more than one candidate for consigliere in his time, indicating that the voting may have been a formality for selecting the consigliere as well.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by Angelo Santino » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:46 pm

So who was Profaci's legitimate successor then?

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by B. » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:44 pm

Chris Christie wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:25 am
B. wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:46 pm An example of a potentially similar situation to Galante was Joe Magliocco. We've learned that Magliocco was never the official boss, as he didn't have full support from within his family and was not confirmed by the Commission. I'm not sure if he was selected by family leaders to serve as provisional boss or if he put himself in the position given that he was the family underboss, but he was called out by the Commission before his death of natural causes. It seems he was a less assertive/threatening figure than Galante, so that may have been why he wasn't killed despite drawing the ire of other families.
Really!? I didn't know that. He was ID'd as such by the McClellan Commission and both Bonannos and I never questioned it. I don't have to ask you for your sources, if you're saying it I know it's from a solid source. But I will say that it just goes to show yet another example of the way information filters downward and gets muddled. Drawing back to the Galante/Boss argument, Pistone claimed Ruggiero ID'd Galante as Boss and Vitale claims the opposite. Couldn't that have to do with the factions they were in? If Ruggiero came up in a pro-Galante faction it stands reason he would be told one thing whereas Vitale who came up in a pro-Rastelli faction say something different.
Yeah, the Galante vs. Rastelli factions recognizing different bosses is what I go into in the original post above. It looks like Rastelli was officially recognized by the Commission and had support from a group of loyalists, but that most of the family leaders either supported Galante as THE boss or were too passive to protest.

The Bonannos were actually one of the reasons Magliocco was mistaken as an official boss. They seem to have propped him up because they knew they could count on him for support and manipulate him. Magaddino discusses a Commission meeting where Magliocco was called on the carpet and admitted to conspiring with Joe Bonanno against Lucchese and Gambino. Magaddino also talked about Magliocco not having Commission approval as boss, which is an important part of the process. Even Carlo Gambino was said to have been a provisional boss for some time before eventually being confirmed. I believe there was a group within the Colombo faction led by Charles LoCicero who were protesting Magliocco's legitimacy as boss, too.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by Frank » Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:28 pm

Wiseguy wrote: Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:39 pm Here's that 1977 article on Galante I mentioned earlier.

https://www.nytimes.com/1977/02/20/arch ... -york.html
Great article. Some interesting things in it. If true about him meeting with the Commission about making more members, it is almost like he is the acting boss or boss.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by Wiseguy » Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:39 pm

Here's that 1977 article on Galante I mentioned earlier.

https://www.nytimes.com/1977/02/20/arch ... -york.html

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by Angelo Santino » Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:25 am

B. wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:46 pm An example of a potentially similar situation to Galante was Joe Magliocco. We've learned that Magliocco was never the official boss, as he didn't have full support from within his family and was not confirmed by the Commission. I'm not sure if he was selected by family leaders to serve as provisional boss or if he put himself in the position given that he was the family underboss, but he was called out by the Commission before his death of natural causes. It seems he was a less assertive/threatening figure than Galante, so that may have been why he wasn't killed despite drawing the ire of other families.
Really!? I didn't know that. He was ID'd as such by the McClellan Commission and both Bonannos and I never questioned it. I don't have to ask you for your sources, if you're saying it I know it's from a solid source. But I will say that it just goes to show yet another example of the way information filters downward and gets muddled. Drawing back to the Galante/Boss argument, Pistone claimed Ruggiero ID'd Galante as Boss and Vitale claims the opposite. Couldn't that have to do with the factions they were in? If Ruggiero came up in a pro-Galante faction it stands reason he would be told one thing whereas Vitale who came up in a pro-Rastelli faction say something different.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by B. » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:46 pm

An example of a potentially similar situation to Galante was Joe Magliocco. We've learned that Magliocco was never the official boss, as he didn't have full support from within his family and was not confirmed by the Commission. I'm not sure if he was selected by family leaders to serve as provisional boss or if he put himself in the position given that he was the family underboss, but he was called out by the Commission before his death of natural causes. It seems he was a less assertive/threatening figure than Galante, so that may have been why he wasn't killed despite drawing the ire of other families.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by rayray » Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:48 pm

B. wrote:With the Galante hit the biggest problem ended up being between the co-conspirators.

You mean the Rastelli faction and the 3 capo's?

I guess with the Indelicato's so involved they thought they'd be taking over after Galante was gone or at least have a bigger part in running the family.

Thinking about this, Galante's biggest problem was not having all the zips on his side 100%

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by B. » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:24 pm

rayray wrote:Going back to Galante and the Bonanno's. Maybe, that's what the commission was afraid of, another Bonanno war and simply chose Rastelli out of pure convenience of an "x' amount of controlability. Cause it seems there was a more sense of reason with the Rastelli's then the Galante's.

Ironic that Galante could have been feared because of the backings of several core members yet when killed it waned to nothing. Kind of like killing the snake by chopping of the head.
It's pretty typical of a lot of hits, where it seems like WWIII is going to start but in reality it's business as usual. With the Galante hit the biggest problem ended up being between the co-conspirators.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by rayray » Tue Sep 06, 2016 6:14 pm

Going back to Galante and the Bonanno's. Maybe, that's what the commission was afraid of, another Bonanno war and simply chose Rastelli out of pure convenience of an "x' amount of controlability. Cause it seems there was a more sense of reason with the Rastelli's then the Galante's.

Ironic that Galante could have been feared because of the backings of several core members yet when killed it waned to nothing. Kind of like killing the snake by chopping of the head.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by B. » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:29 pm

Just confirmed it was in mid-1988 that Joe Tomasello was "put into retirement" and removed of his captain rank. I don't know where I got the bit about him moving to Florida, but he did have Florida members in his decina.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by Hailbritain » Fri Sep 02, 2016 2:23 pm

B. wrote:No prob. I don't know much about Tomasello... might be better suited for a Colombo topic, not the Galante one, but maybe someone knows more about his background, i.e. who he came up around, etc.
I'm pretty sure tomasello was with the gallo's , but then was with the persicos from the early 70s

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by B. » Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:16 pm

No prob. I don't know much about Tomasello... might be better suited for a Colombo topic, not the Galante one, but maybe someone knows more about his background, i.e. who he came up around, etc.

Re: Galante as "boss" and his murder

by Hailbritain » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:42 pm

B. wrote:
Hailbritain wrote:Joe scopo and Joe T Tomesello were on the administration for the respective sides wernt they ??
After Bill Cutolo was demoted as underboss, consigliere Benny Aloi who was then incarcerated was moved to underboss and Joe Scopo was made acting underboss. Aloi was back out on the street and Scopo went back to running his crew but remained a key leader of the Orena faction.

As for Joe T, what I can remember off the top of my head is that he had moved to Florida a couple years before the war and retired. He was either taken down or stepped down. I'll try to confirm that later.
Thanks for the info B

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